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    Re: Would YOU vote for this guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If I may summarize what you're saying here: "Racial advantages are bad only if the race in question is a minority race." :

    Please, just stop digging yourself in deeper.
    more horse poop

    I have never said racial advantages are good

    I was pointing out that when the vast majority of qualified candidates for a certain job have the same race, being of that race is no advantage

    in 1952 the only people who could become President were white and yes, if Ike were black he'd never be general of the armies let alone president but he got no advantage over everyone who was in contention

    Obama did get big advantages over the majority applying to Harvard-ie whites



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    Re: Would YOU vote for this guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    True or false: NOT A SINGLE ONE of the 42 guys preceding Obama would have been president if they were black.
    again everyone in contention was white so they got no advantage over every other contender

    stop your bloodclot crying its silly



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    Re: Would YOU vote for this guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more horse poop

    I have never said racial advantages are good

    I was pointing out that when the vast majority of qualified candidates for a certain job have the same race, being of that race is no advantage

    in 1952 the only people who could become President were white and yes, if Ike were black he'd never be general of the armies let alone president but he got no advantage over everyone who was in contention

    Obama did get big advantages over the majority applying to Harvard-ie whites
    I don't know why, but I'm staring at this and the logic is staring right back at me, but then I try to read his interpretation of what you're saying...and, my brain just wants to shut down.

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    Re: Would YOU vote for this guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheServantCharles View Post
    I don't know why, but I'm staring at this and the logic is staring right back at me, but then I try to read his interpretation of what you're saying...and, my brain just wants to shut down.
    People who feel don't understand thinking

    Just if He says blue is the best color I don't FEEL that way

    its a different way of seeing the world

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    Re: Would YOU vote for this guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more horse poop

    I have never said racial advantages are good

    I was pointing out that when the vast majority of qualified candidates for a certain job have the same race, being of that race is no advantage
    If your race is able to monopolize the process and prevent others from becoming "qualified candidates" in the first place, that's an advantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    in 1952 the only people who could become President were white and yes, if Ike were black he'd never be general of the armies let alone president
    So in other words, Ike's race led to his election as president. Hmm, how about that. Sounds just like Obama. Remind me what you're bitching about again.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    but he got no advantage over everyone who was in contention
    Do I need to play social studies teacher? Why do you think there weren't any non-whites in contention for the presidency in 1952 (or for five-star general in the 1940s, or for West Point in the 1910s)? Because blacks were stupid and lazy?

    It doesn't matter whether you cut off the competition at the last level (i.e. the application process for that particular job/college) or an earlier level (i.e. a decent education to earn the qualifications for that job/college). Either way, it puts the oppressed race at a disadvantage, and it puts the dominant race at an advantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    Obama did get big advantages over the majority applying to Harvard-ie whites
    But if whites had been systematically denied an education that would enable them to compete for spots at Harvard Law in the first place, that would be A-OK with you and Obama wouldn't have any particular advantage over the other black applicants. Right?
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    Re: Would YOU vote for this guy?

    I'm sorry, you think he's justifying racism, and discrimination in the past...no, that's not what either of us are trying to do. Does that clear things up at all?

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    Re: Would YOU vote for this guy?

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    Re: Would YOU vote for this guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheServantCharles View Post
    I'm sorry, you think he's justifying racism, and discrimination in the past...no, that's not what either of us are trying to do. Does that clear things up at all?
    What Kandahar is saying is that the repeated societal and racial advantages white presidential candidates have had, has guaranteed the elections of 'white' people. In contrast, the election of a single black man to office is not enough to determine whether or not he was elected simply because he was black.
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    Re: Would YOU vote for this guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What Kandahar is saying is that the repeated societal and racial advantages white presidential candidates have had, has guaranteed the elections of 'white' people. In contrast, the election of a single black man to office is not enough to determine whether or not he was elected simply because he was black.
    I will ask again since you totally ignored it. Would you support the black candidate if he were a Conservative Republican (ie. Mark Blackwell) over the lilly white Liberal??


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    Re: Would YOU vote for this guy?

    I always find it amusing how I am told time and again the only reason I voted for Obama was because he was black. I wonder how they know that, and I, who made the decision, thought I had based it on completely different reasons.
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