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Thread: Who else is tired of seeing threads about the textbooks in texas

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    Re: Who else is tired of seeing threads about the textbooks in texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Queen View Post
    It most certainly does "work that way". Wiki aside, if the textbook manufacturers are selling out of their own state, they can be made subject to laws governing pricing the school district's can pay. Otherwise, their textbooks are out of any bid. Removing the market from the seller is almost always punative enough to come to some arrangement.

    And besides...what are you gonna do? Go in and tell Texas it can't exert it's legal control over the curriculum? Try that one...let's see how it works out. The fact is, Texas did what Texas had the authority to do and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Clinging to this problem of the fact that textbooks are printed there is nothing more than an excuse to bemoan the fact that conservatives basically won this one and to refuse to acknowledge that conservativism is strong enough to achieve such a victory.

    Everyone just needs to deal with it. Don't like it...don't move to Texas.

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    Re: Who else is tired of seeing threads about the textbooks in texas

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Some of the smaller populated states have found it practical to administer education from the state level because the population is so scattered it is just more cost effective and efficient for everybody to do it that way. Some of those entire state populations are smaller than your average big city though.

    But I agree that the more local education happens, the far better the schools are going to be. For sure I would like to see the federal government out of the education business completely other than to do data and information gathering and make that available to the states and individual school districts so they can know how they compare with everybody else.
    I think the federal government should have some hand in education, especially in the area of passing out grants and endowments and having some say over how those grants are given. Their influence on standardizing the curricula of various districts should go no further than the ability to influence funding. As a nation, there needs to be some conformity in what we all learn at the national, state, and local levels. Otherwise, education might become to compartmentalized by cultural difference.

    But other than that small influence, you are right. We don't need anymore NCLB's happening.

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    Re: Who else is tired of seeing threads about the textbooks in texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Queen View Post
    Is a local government a book publisher?

    Texas is where the school books are printed.

    Local governments are laying off teachers because they don't have the money due to the housing prices tanking and property taxes being lowered. Schools are funded with property taxes.

    How should they fund new books from more expensive publishers if they don't want to use the books from Texas?
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    Wait, so your theory is that because the TX curriculum is going to say this, other states are being forced to follow along because the books are printed in TX?

    If I misconstrued anything you said, please correct me.
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    Re: Who else is tired of seeing threads about the textbooks in texas

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think the federal government should have some hand in education, especially in the area of passing out grants and endowments and having some say over how those grants are given. Their influence on standardizing the curricula of various districts should go no further than the ability to influence funding. As a nation, there needs to be some conformity in what we all learn at the national, state, and local levels. Otherwise, education might become to compartmentalized by cultural difference.

    But other than that small influence, you are right. We don't need anymore NCLB's happening.
    NCLB, as bad as it was and it was bad, was better than no standards and failing schools that existed before it. There was a narrowing of the disparity between the worst performing school and the better schools, but it did not correct the core problems that hinder excellence in public education in the USA.

    My libertarian soul wants the government collecting no monies for education or dispensing any monies for education. Without so much education monies being swallowed up in an ineffective bureaucracy and unions, there will be more money that can be made available to the schools themselves.

    I don't want the federal government to have any authority to tell us what we must or what we shouldn't be learning. Before the federal government got involved in that, there were states who did a better job than others just like there are now. But the kids overall were getting a far better education. The standards will be established by colleges, universities, and industry. The feds should be involved in gathering information on college entrance requirements and industry requirements across the county and making that available to the school districts so they can advise the students. Also statistics should be gathered from all the school districts and made available so each state or school district can evaluate how they're doing relative to everybody else.

    Otherwise I want the federal government out of it.
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