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Thread: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    And lets just assume that Agent Ferris IS actually trying to be on topic and not create a strawman where he's trying to shift the topic to discussing simply negative views against jews rather than genocidal views on Jews.

    So he presents the fact that these countries populations generally have a majority unfavorable view of Jews, thus leading to his implication that a majority of Muslims must agree with this above video's speaker.

    However, lets look at other info his link provided but he didn't feel relevant to relate to us. Specifically, the view in these countries regarding Suicide Bombers...as you would think if these people, due to their unfavorable opinion of jews, are for the genocide of people they would be for the suicide bombs. And yet, there' a downward trend of support there in most cases.

    In Lebanon under 40% feel its at times acceptable to target civilians in violence, down over 30% from previous highs. Over 30% feell its NEVER justified. Gives a different view of the likelihood of that 99% unfavorable population feeling they want it easier to "hunt" the jews.

    Pakistan? Only 25% support it at times, where as almost double that feel its NEVER justified.

    Indonesia, 15% sometimes compared to 66% NEVER

    Turkey? 14% to 66%

    Morocco, 13% compared to a whopping 79% for never.

    The only country not showing a downard trend that was on his list is Jordan, and even Jordan despite the 100% unfavorable feeling towards Jews is sitting under 60% thinking its sometimes or often justified.

    So while I absolutely, without a doubt, would say that anti-semitism is rampant and definitely the majority in countries holding a Muslim majority I could not say that the notion of genocide against Jews is a majority opinion shared amongst Muslim majority countries.

    When talking about Muslims the world over for either of these notions, this gets trickier. Without actual information from American Muslims and European Muslims and their slants its hard to tell how much of this is religiously directed, how much of it is societally directed, and how much of it is proximity directed (for example, notice its some of the countries closest to Israel that have the highest unfavorables).

    My honest guess...

    I'd say, by and large when taking the entire muslim population within the world, that a small majority, probably in the 60% range, likely hold unfavorable opinion of jews. However, since this thread isn't about whether or not Muslims haev an unfavorable view of Jews but whether or not they hold genocidal views such as the person expressed in their hope for an easier "hunt", I would have to say that no...a relative small minority of Muslims within the world population actively have such views.

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    How ironic that you would use the term "straw man". Having called out a poster by name who hasn't even appeared in this thread (very poor form in ANY forum), brought into question a completely different ethnicity and then indulged in a fallacious leap of logic, you then proceed to attack the notion you, and only you, have created.
    I haven't called anyone "out". Jamesrage is one of the forums most well known anti-illegal immigration posters. This isn't hidden knowledge. No where did I insult James, nor flame him, nor say anything that isn't really common knowledge really. James does not like illegal immigrants, James has a negative view on illegal immigrants, I'd likely put money that James isn't in favor of the mass genocide of said illegal immigrants. You apparently don't understand what a "call out it". That wasn't a call out, it was an analogy.

    Having an unfavorable opinion about a group...be it a religion, an ethnicity, a organization, or anything else...does not equate to believing said group should be "Hunted" and killed.

    If the issue is to be Muslim attitudes towards Jews, in order to gain a proper perspective, one must take into account the prevailing attitudes across the board. These more extreme attitudes do not simply crop up out of the blue, but rather, are simply the more outwardly expressed attitudes born form a general climate of hostility.
    True enough, however, while extremist attitudes can grow out of such climates that does not mean that everyone in those climates share those extremist views. This is not a question of whether or not unfavorable views of Jews leads to the genocidal thoughts, its a question of whether the majority actually hold said genocidal thoughts.

    Ferris has actually provided some substance for his opinion. All you have provided is twaddle.
    Yes, he provided substance. Substance that shows that in muslim dominated countries there's an unfavorable opinion of Jews. Where have I disagreed with him on that. However I simply stated that having an unfavorable opinion of Jews does not equate into a desire for them to be in one place so as to make it easier to hunt and kill them. If Agent Ferris believes my assertion to be incorrect he is more than welcome to present how "unfavorable = genocidal". If you really want me to provide a link to something that's comon sense I can happily go to a dictionary and look up the word "unfavorable" for you as I can garauntee you within the definition it will not state "To wish genocide against".

    Agent Ferris posted substance....that had nothing to do with the topic of this thread unless he was making the assertion that their unfavorable views meant that they agreed with the speaker in teh OP.

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    What do you think of this video?

    YouTube- David Horowitz at UCSD 5/10/2010. Hosted by Young Americans for Freedom and DHFC

    IMO its basically a Muslim Extremist saying she supports the idea of hoping all jews gather together so they dont have to be "hunted" globally

    do you think im right, or do you think all muslims want this, or most, or just some?

    also do you think she did any thing wrong? should she be expelled? should that group be banned on campuses nation wide or its her right and its harmless?
    I'd say that it's probably some, though probably not close to 25%. My best guess would be something in the mid teens. And she should not be banned from campuses. People are free to say as they like, even stupid and mean things. So long as she isn't inciting to riot (whatever the cops want that to mean at any given time), she can do as she likes.
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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So while I absolutely, without a doubt, would say that anti-semitism is rampant and definitely the majority in countries holding a Muslim majority I could not say that the notion of genocide against Jews is a majority opinion shared amongst Muslim majority countries.
    I would agree with this ^


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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Should I accuse every poster in this thread who doesn't like Islam of wanting to round Muslims up in camps and kill them all? Disliking a group of people and wanting to kill them are miles apart.

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Program on International Public Attitudes: Responding to my estimate in the documentary Obsession that "10 to 15 percent of Muslims worldwide support militant Islam," Shibley Telhami of the University of Maryland cites data from the Program on International Public Attitudes to conclude that "about 6 percent of about 300-million people in the Arab world support al-Qaida's message of confronting the United States."

    Telhami also parses my word support, noting that "Support is often a reflection of anger rather than ideology. It's far different from joining groups or being prepared to conduct terrorism." (Quoted in Meg Laughlin, "McCollum, Muslims to discuss film," St. Petersburg Times, February 12, 2008)

    Comment: Shibley changed the topic. I spoke about percentages of Muslims who support Islamism not who support "al-Qaida's message of confronting the United States." One can be an Islamist and not support Al-Qaeda's anti-American violence; one can also be not an Islamist and support the violence. It's a different issue and Shibley falsely conflates them.
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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Should I accuse every poster in this thread who doesn't like Islam of wanting to round Muslims up in camps and kill them all? Disliking a group of people and wanting to kill them are miles apart.
    You've meant to "Who doesn't like Muslims", I assume.

    Not liking Islam is completely legitimate, not liking people because they are Muslims is not.
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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There's a striking difference however between having a negative feeling towards jews and having a genocidal feeling towards. The person in the video seemingly had the latter, wishing them to be in one place so as not to have to "hunt" for them.
    exactly like other religions having negative views towards, premarital sex or masturbation etc etc LOL

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'd say that it's probably some, though probably not close to 25%. My best guess would be something in the mid teens. And she should not be banned from campuses. People are free to say as they like, even stupid and mean things. So long as she isn't inciting to riot (whatever the cops want that to mean at any given time), she can do as she likes.
    this i agree with what i mean by kicked off campus is her and that group IF they are preaching to kill people

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My honest guess...

    I'd say, by and large when taking the entire muslim population within the world, that a small majority, probably in the 60% range, likely hold unfavorable opinion of jews. However, since this thread isn't about whether or not Muslims haev an unfavorable view of Jews but whether or not they hold genocidal views such as the person expressed in their hope for an easier "hunt", I would have to say that no...a relative small minority of Muslims within the world population actively have such views.
    I wouldn't be surprised if you're 100% correct, it makes sense. I'm dying to hear muslims condemn these genocidal idiots though. You might argue that someone who supports genocide is not a true muslim. I want to focus on this bigotry, and reducing it by saying that only a small minority of 1,2 billion people are genocidal.., sounds like apologising for it. Whenever we see it we should condemn it, regardless of our beliefs.
    Last edited by Djoop; 05-20-10 at 06:01 PM.

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