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Thread: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    I won't lie, that was a nice one.
    Ha!

    I was just busting chops though nothing more

    just showing how easy it can be to take someones words and make them paint a story that may or may not be there

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    I have friends who subscribe to Islam and know a range of other Muslims in Asia. There are a good number of people who think like the girl in the video, no doubt.. But her views don't represent the majority of Islamic followers. There are radicals in every religion but does this mean the vast majority of the followers support radicalism? No.

    By the way, doesn't that guy with the gray hair at 0:59 look a little bit like Bill Clinton?
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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    What do you think of this video?

    YouTube- David Horowitz at UCSD 5/10/2010. Hosted by Young Americans for Freedom and DHFC

    IMO its basically a Muslim Extremist saying she supports the idea of hoping all jews gather together so they dont have to be "hunted" globally

    do you think im right, or do you think all muslims want this, or most, or just some?

    also do you think she did any thing wrong? should she be expelled? should that group be banned on campuses nation wide or its her right and its harmless?

    I personally think she is an extremist and more than likely so is the group they are talking about IF they support those ideas and it should be banned from campus.

    I think she gives muslims a bad name and in a time when tensions are high she is a disgrace and brings down the whole religion.
    The Pew Global Attitudes Survey found that in the 6 Muslim majority countries surveyed all 6 had a 60% and higher unfavorable view of Jews. 60% unfavorable for Turkey, 74% for Pakistan, 76% for Indonesia, 99% for Lebanon, 100% for Jordan, and 88% for Morocco.

    Islamic Extremism: Common Concern for Muslim and Western Publics | Pew Global Attitudes Project

    So according to this report not only is anti-semitism a serious problem in the Muslim world but it is the mainstream vast majority viewpoint.

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    There's a striking difference however between having a negative feeling towards jews and having a genocidal feeling towards. The person in the video seemingly had the latter, wishing them to be in one place so as not to have to "hunt" for them.

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There's a striking difference however between having a negative feeling towards jews and having a genocidal feeling towards. The person in the video seemingly had the latter, wishing them to be in one place so as not to have to "hunt" for them.
    There is a degree of difference, yes, but only a complete apologist would fail to take people to task for their bigotry, especially inasmuch as the bigotry of those who are not actively violent supports the bigotry of those who are.
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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The Pew Global Attitudes Survey found that in the 6 Muslim majority countries surveyed all 6 had a 60% and higher unfavorable view of Jews. 60% unfavorable for Turkey, 74% for Pakistan, 76% for Indonesia, 99% for Lebanon, 100% for Jordan, and 88% for Morocco.

    Islamic Extremism: Common Concern for Muslim and Western Publics | Pew Global Attitudes Project

    So according to this report not only is anti-semitism a serious problem in the Muslim world but it is the mainstream vast majority viewpoint.
    and having supported yourself with legitimate statistics, it is now time for somebody to wade in and call you an "Islamophobe", call you ignorant while displaying they haven't the foggiest idea what they are talking about, and demand some different form of proof while producing absolutely none of their own.
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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    There is a degree of difference, yes, but only a complete apologist would fail to take people to task for their bigotry, especially inasmuch as the bigotry of those who are not actively violent supports the bigotry of those who are.
    There's a large degree of difference.

    Lets take a poster here. Jamesrage. Jamesrage seems to have a very negative reaction in regards to illegal immigrants, especially ones from hispanic countries. His opinion of them seems to be very low. If you asked a survey "Do you have unfavorable attitudes towards illegal immigrants of Hispanic Descent" I'm sure he'd say yes. However if you asked him "Do you want all illegal immigrants gathered in a large group so you can murder them in large numbers" he'd probably say no.

    If you asked me "Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of MoveOn.Org members" in general I'd probably say unfavorable. If I was asked "Do you think we should round up all MoveOn.org members into a specific area so we can kill them all" it'd be a categorical no.

    If you asked me "Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the French" in genera I'd probably say yes. Does this mean that I want them all rounded up and killed? Absolutely not.

    There is not a single DEGREE of difference between having an unfavorable opinion and wanting the collection of the entire group so as to enact genocide upon them. There is actually quite a number of degrees of difference from one to the other.

    What the guy in the video in the OP was proposing is proposterous and ridiculous. Its extremists like that which need to be weeded out and removed, ostracized, and not given credance to.

    The difference is that person isn't on this board, actively spreading his bigoted and hateful message, and able to continue to make the argument. Somenoes else was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    and having supported yourself with legitimate statistics, it is now time for somebody to wade in and call you an "Islamophobe", call you ignorant while displaying they haven't the foggiest idea what they are talking about, and demand some different form of proof while producing absolutely none of their own.
    Hmm, interesting. You don't complain or care at all about the bigotry displayed in trying to imply the people in these studies, because they have an unfavorable opinion, agree with the notion that there should be world wide genocide against Jews. What did someone say earlier, about not speaking out against bigotry...how'd it go....

    Ah yes

    but only a complete apologist would fail to take people to task for their bigotry

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    Hmm, interesting. You don't complain or care at all about the bigotry displayed in trying to imply the people in these studies, because they have an unfavorable opinion, agree with the notion that there should be world wide genocide against Jews. What did someone say earlier, about not speaking out against bigotry...how'd it go....

    Ah yes
    Wow - -so you make a false claim as to an imagined implication and then say people are not reacting to it.

    What else that exists only in your head are people failing to notice?
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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Wow - -so you make a false claim as to an imagined implication and then say people are not reacting to it.

    What else that exists only in your head are people failing to notice?
    Not imagined either.

    I made the, what I would figure is rather logical, assumption that Agent Ferris was actually talking about the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread isn't whether or not a minority or majority of Muslim people in the world have an unfavorable opinion on Jews. The topic of this thread is whether or not a minority or majority of Muslim people in teh world have an opinion of Jews that matches the notion that they hope they all gather in one place so its easier to "hunt" them and essentially commit genocide.

    Assuming that Agent isn't just attempting to enact a strawman and is actually sticking to the topic of the thread, it appeared that he was attempting to suggest that since a majority of muslims in a number of muslim countries have an unfavorable feeling towards jews that it somehow means that a majority of them agree with the sentiment expressed in the video at the start.

    Or am I wrong and you think he was just enacting a strawman and trying to go off topic and change what we're discussing?

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    Re: Muslims what do YOU think they really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not imagined either.

    I made the, what I would figure is rather logical, assumption that Agent Ferris was actually talking about the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread isn't whether or not a minority or majority of Muslim people in the world have an unfavorable opinion on Jews. The topic of this thread is whether or not a minority or majority of Muslim people in teh world have an opinion of Jews that matches the notion that they hope they all gather in one place so its easier to "hunt" them and essentially commit genocide.

    Assuming that Agent isn't just attempting to enact a strawman and is actually sticking to the topic of the thread, it appeared that he was attempting to suggest that since a majority of muslims in a number of muslim countries have an unfavorable feeling towards jews that it somehow means that a majority of them agree with the sentiment expressed in the video at the start.

    Or am I wrong and you think he was just enacting a strawman and trying to go off topic and change what we're discussing?

    How ironic that you would use the term "straw man". Having called out a poster by name who hasn't even appeared in this thread (very poor form in ANY forum), brought into question a completely different ethnicity and then indulged in a fallacious leap of logic, you then proceed to attack the notion you, and only you, have created.

    If the issue is to be Muslim attitudes towards Jews, in order to gain a proper perspective, one must take into account the prevailing attitudes across the board. These more extreme attitudes do not simply crop up out of the blue, but rather, are simply the more outwardly expressed attitudes born form a general climate of hostility.

    Ferris has actually provided some substance for his opinion. All you have provided is twaddle.
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