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    Re: The best rules for society

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Neither is the kidney a part of the foot, but both are part of the same body.

    As a whole body, there are behaviors which are "best" for the body for it to be as healthy as it can be.
    What makes you think it is the Christian rule set?

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    Re: The best rules for society

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    the common basic nutrition ain't true, different societies and cultures have different base nutrition needs that they have evolved to in their area, you try feeding a white person on the basic diet of an asian, and they will starve, for example.
    You're arguing that there is no longer a control group by which to compare the multitude of human breeds, and I don't know that you're wrong.

    I offer this example to test your position by: Which breed of human can live without ingesting water in any way? Protein? Minerals?

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    Re: The best rules for society

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What makes you think it is the Christian rule set?
    What makes you think I think the Christian rule set is "the" rules?

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    Re: The best rules for society

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're arguing that there is no longer a control group by which to compare the multitude of human breeds, and I don't know that you're wrong.

    I offer this example to test your position by: Which breed of human can live without ingesting water in any way? Protein? Minerals?
    zombie humans, all they need is the occasional brain

    i get what you're saying, but you can't really apply a single condition over the entire human race, especially not one based in religion, as you said in previous posts
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    Re: The best rules for society

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    zombie humans, all they need is the occasional brain

    i get what you're saying, but you can't really apply a single condition over the entire human race, especially not one based in religion, as you said in previous posts
    I look at the species and observe condition already applied. I had nothing to do with it.

    Every culture on earth needs it's members to refrain from needlessly killing or taking anther's property without just cause in order for those cultures to be most successful.

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    Re: The best rules for society

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I look at the species and observe condition already applied. I had nothing to do with it.

    Every culture on earth needs it's members to refrain from needlessly killing or taking anther's property without just cause in order for those cultures to be most successful.
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    Re: The best rules for society

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    fair enough
    Thus we know that 2 of "The best rules for society" are 'don't murder' and 'don't steal'; and if we know these rules then we also know that it's not as subjective to the society as others originally argued.

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    Re: The best rules for society

    You can't define murder without its opposite, justifiable homicide, and and you can't define theft without defining property. Both of these concepts are wholly subjective across cultures.

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    Re: The best rules for society

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A uniform biology and other elements of cultural universal prove mine correct. Every healthy human needs social ties, language and common basic nutrition, for example.
    You have to define precisely what a "healthy" biological imperative is, as well as what "healthy" social structures are before you can even pretend there is something that can "most enable" these things.

    No single set of rules can exist which achieves "healthy" for everyone because everyone's idea of which imperatives and structures are healthy is different.

    An objective "best" set of rules could only be achieved if there could exist a single set of rules that could most achieve those needs universally.

    But because of the differences in what is considered healthy and what is needed, no single set can exist. Only multiple sets of optimal rules for a group and/or individual.

    Since there is no single one greater than all the others, no best can exist.

    Since the thing that defines which one is optimal for a particular group is their view of which imperatives and structures are preferred, it is subjective.



    If your opinion were correct then you would be able to point to a few major societies who have no social ties of any sort and eat only stale beach sand (for example).
    Actually, all I need to do is prove that there cannot be a single set of rules that would achieve your definition. That excludes any and all possibility of their being an objective "best".

    You need to prove that there can exist a single set of rules that would achieve your stated definition of "best" universally for their to exist an objective best.
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    Re: The best rules for society

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What makes you think I think the Christian rule set is "the" rules?
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    There is only one society: the society under God.

    Everyone is a part of it, every saint and sinner, every angel and demon, and the rules are already available to all. Whether any particular individual is still trying to figure that out is subjective to the individual.
    My apologies, you were talking about the universal rules of society under God. Same difference as the conception of God in Hinduism is different than the conception of God under Judaism and Christianity and Islam. I agree they are the same God but the rules are different.

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