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    Re: Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

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    I say no, **** the EU.


    Perhaps this is one of the reasons the media made a big deal out Arizona's anti-illegal immigration law other than their opposition to any anti-illegal immigration law. To distract us while the clowns in office want to give EU 50 billion.


    Rep. Pence: US Taxpayers Should Not Have to Bail Out Greece or European Union Nations


    Rep. Mike Pence tells Newsmax it’s not the “proper role” for American taxpayers to help bail out a European country any more than it’s proper to expect Europe to bail out a fiscally strapped U.S. state.

    The Indiana Republican warns that taxpayers could be stuck with a $50 billion tab for a broad European bailout. And he says that voters can begin the process of repealing Obamacare by voting in a Republican majority in Congress this year.


    US Exposure to EU Bailout: $50 Billion and Counting - Yahoo! Finance

    US taxpayers could be on the hook for $50 billion or more as part of the European debt bailout, which is likely to be a close cousin to the strategy used to rescue the American financial system.
    did they pitch in and help us?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    There's the possibility that bailing them out will make your stocks go up.
    That's not a possibility. That's an actual fact. The stock market had a huge rally when the Greece debt package was released.

    If Europe has a serious debt crisis any more then it has now, we will go back to a recession.

    $50 billion is a cheap price to pay IMO.
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    Re: Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

    The American people don't have a choice. The EU is getting a bail out. The people in control of the financial system don't care if it's your money or not.

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    Re: Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The American people don't have a choice. The EU is getting a bail out. The people in control of the financial system don't care if it's your money or not.
    Indeed. This is happening and already has happened. About a trillion dollars is now available in the European credit markets that previously wasn't there. That's pretty massive.

    This is what I don't get:

    If the naysayers had their way, our banking system and much of the West would be in shambles if not worse. There would literally be no credit whatsoever. We'd see a repeat of the South Korea bankruptcies, except on a truly epic scale. This would in fact be a depression. They'd be clamoring for someone's head as to why they didn't stop this mess.

    Essentially, these people complain either way.

    Is this due to ignorance or something else?
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    Re: Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If the naysayers had their way, our banking system and much of the West would be in shambles if not worse. There would literally be no credit whatsoever. We'd see a repeat of the South Korea bankruptcies, except on a truly epic scale. This would in fact be a depression.
    Given the expanded powers of the Federal Reserve, I would say that the system is designed to cause collapse. The UN is already talking about a global basket currency to replace the U.S. dollar. Once the dollar collapses (and it will, purposefully), the major players in governments of several countries will be in a position to establish new global governance.

    The reckless spending you are seeing in congress is part of that, and I don't care if people slam me for being a conspiracy theorist. Governments can make some incredibly stupid policies, but willful spending in the amounts we are seeing is an intentional attempt to sabotage the system.

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    Re: Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

    I am absolutely fed up with America "bailing" out Europe. Europe has a long record for not being able to solve its own problems. Because of this, Europe has become not just a burden to America, but a burden to everyone in the Western alliance. What's that proverb? Something about feeding a man a fish vs. teaching him how to fish? Well Europe has become entirely too comfortable with expecting others to come to their aid. They needed us to help them sort out their First World War. With the League of Nations left in their hands, they wound up needing us to help them sort out their Second World War. They needed our money through the Cold War to recover. They needed us to deal with Bosnia and Kosovo. Now they show signs of needing our treasure once again at a time we need it for ourselves? Oh, and in the mean time they begrudgingly assist our efforts in Afghanistan while insisting that they remain as far from the fight as possible. After a century of needing us to help them figure out their internal problems, Afghanistan was how they gave us thanks and a fair reach around.

    Until we say "not this time," Europe will continue to be that region that can't fix its own problems and eventually forces others to have to be involved. Germany is fed up with the rest of Europe. France is angered over how quickly the "unity" of the EU proves as fragile as most of us already knew it was. Greece and Spain have become burdens that the rest bicker over. With Europe once again showing that their tribal makeup forever transcends some silly notion of unity, why should America rush to preserve the illusion?

    Besides all this....after being accused of not minding our own business or being the "world policeman" by the streak of anti-Americanism inside Europe for decades, how accomodating would it be for us to mind our own business? Sweet irony.
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    Re: Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

    yes, but...if we don't bail them out, who do you think they'll turn to? Could turn to the Middle East, ugly for us. Or to China, which isn't quite as ugly, but definitely not a pretty picture.

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    Re: Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheServantCharles View Post
    yes, but...if we don't bail them out, who do you think they'll turn to? Could turn to the Middle East, ugly for us. Or to China, which isn't quite as ugly, but definitely not a pretty picture.
    Europe and America have developed a certain mentality over the last century. Europeans have discovered that eventually America will get involved, which leaves them with a certain attitude of not having to be completely responsible for themselves. America has developed a sense that it must be involved if only to preserve the lives and economy of its own.

    It's a burdensom relationship. Let them turn to the Middle East. How ironic would that be considering that the unnnatural borders throughout, which has caused great violence between tribes, was of their making.

    I would suggest that, instead of turning to somebody outside of Europe for aid, they fix their own problems for a change. Wasn't that what the "unity" of the EU was supposed to do? Isn't that what de Gaulle preached about? An independent Europe isn't really independent if it keeps having to depend on outsiders from crisis to crisis. Instead of criticizing America's "bail outs" to get a wrangle hold on our own economic woes, they should have been more proactive in dealing with theirs. But because they started dealing with it so late in the game, their economic woes will linger. This is what happens when the tribes deliberate to exhaustion under the illusion of EU unity.
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    Re: Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Besides all this....after being accused of not minding our own business or being the "world policeman" by the streak of anti-Americanism inside Europe for decades, how accomodating would it be for us to mind our own business? Sweet irony.
    I take it, then, that you think it's entirely appropriate to watch someone else's house burn to the ground just so you can smirk at them and say, "Told you so," yes?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Should American tax payers help bailout EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Europe and America have developed a certain mentality over the last century. Europeans have discovered that eventually America will get involved, which leaves them with a certain attitude of not having to be completely responsible for themselves. America has developed a sense that it must be involved if only to preserve the lives and economy of its own.

    It's a burdensom relationship. Let them turn to the Middle East. How ironic would that be considering that the unnnatural borders throughout, which has caused great violence between tribes, was of their making.
    What your model of world politics leaves out is that the United States has had a significant role in creating many of the fires that we subsequently exhaust ourselves trying to put out.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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