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Thread: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    ''...they would be better off committing suicide.''

    Lucky for us, that our ancesters who did not experience the rights and freedoms we have today did not use this 'solution'.

    But, it is a ridiculous thing to say anyway. Many even in the worst circumstances feel there a reason to live. Suicide does not seem to have such a cut an dried connection with bad circumstances.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    I disagree with this declaration. It seems almost like socialism in disguise. Plus people don't have the rights to certain privileges that were listed there. I think the fundamental right is that people be allowed to keep their hard earned wealth (money, property, etc) and not have the government tax much of it in order to pay for another persons "rights."

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    It is already happening, in many countries. Most western countries uphold most of the human rights standards most of the time.
    Western civilization does not need this pile of UN crap as they already set the standards.

    Of course your reply to my statement has nothing at all to do with your initial statement...

    Maybe if you lived in a country where your own human rights were being abused on a regular basis, you would not place such importance on things like the tone the rights you should have are being declared in. - Mel

    Funny how you jump from down trodden third world countries to the western world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    But, I dont understand why your are laughing. What kind of person laughs at human rights issues. There really is something sick about that attitude.
    Most of those so called "human rights" are nothing more than stealing from those who have to give to those who have not. This is not a right, this would be theft.

    As far as me laughing, your premise is flawed. I am not laughing at human rights issues, I am laughing at your ridicules argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    Compare human rights standards in the European Union of today, with the standards that were in this area 200 years ago. Surely, you can see that people have learned.
    Please explain how that is even remotely connected to my reply to your statement....

    I cant imagine those who are hanging from the ceiling and having their genitals elecocuted in a prison in Iran being concerned about the tone of the doccument. Nor is the women who is being brutally raped and mutilated in DRC. Or what about the mother who has no food to put in her childrens mouths in Zimbawe. Or those who are being worked to death(literally) in Burma because if they refuse their wife and daughters will be raped by those who are supposed to be protecting society. Their only hope is that there are millions of people out there patiently negotiating with the disgusting governments of the world to start applying the code of human right to their citizens lives. - Mel

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    They are. What do you think the UN, NGOs, lawyers without fontiers... are doing with their time.
    Nothing useful.

    But I have already covered this and you chose not to see it...

    Mel, the reality of the situation is a bitch. The fact is the country's that are doing such things are not going to change because of embargo or political threat. We have seen this so many times before you figure people would learn. They don't learn and make the same mistakes over and over again. - Blackdog

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    The only people who can in some way reasonably argue against human rights standards, are the ones who are in some way benefiting from the lack of human rights standards in certain coutries. ie. Human rights are at odds with their personal and/or financial interests. Oil industries, gems traders, weapons manufacturers... Dirty dealers!
    This my dear Mel, this is nothing more than an irrelevant rant, or a veiled insult at best.

    Nothing left to say here if you are not even going to respond to what was actually said. If you just want to rant, you can go find someone else.

    You have yourself a good day.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    No, I don't agree with all of it.

    In some cases the protections are too weak and in others they are too strong.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    How would you be free without conforming to a definition of freedom?
    Almost every time you eliminate choice, you're not proposing freedom.
    This decree eliminates many choices.

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    This definition of freedom is one that resonates with a huge amount of the people of the world. They ,now that state oppression is not the only threat to their freedom, economic suppression through poverty is also a very real thing in their lives.

    The libertarian definition of freedom, which you think should be rammed down the throat of everyone, is nothing but the freedom to exploit and the freedom to starve. I think most people would like to do without those "freedoms".
    Not at all, my definition of freedom is to live with what you feel makes you free.
    It doesn't need to be legislated and you can form your own collectives designed to your particular wants for freedom.

    Want to build a socialist commune where the means of production are owned by the community.
    Go for it, just don't make people be apart of it if they don't want to.

    My believe system gives every one a choice on how they want to live.
    Your system removes that choice.


    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    I did. They are all totalitarian ideologies that leads to suffering and injustice. Thus human rights exists to protect us from them.
    No they aren't.

    Libertarianism calls for a reduced state while this nonsense calls for an increased state.
    Not to mention all the similarities between an authoritarian government (that you support) and fascism/state communism.
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