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Thread: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Like it or hate it ... it's great for people in countries like Iran. Iran's government is a bunch of insane, islam-o-nazi savages who need death.
    Religion is just the same as political beliefs.
    While the two may be different in ideas and practice, they both force people to adhere to a specific set of beliefs.

    This document does that(if it were law), forces people to adhere to a specific set of political beliefs, even though it says you're free not to.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia deserve no sovereignty. Their government officals need to be burried in the sand and stoned to death.
    State sovereignty is antithetical to individual sovereignty as well. Individual sovereignty = the right to self ownership.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It would be better than what they have now, but then again, I hate entitlements.
    ... In their case ... it's necessary to keep their terrorist leaders in check.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    ''I dislike their aim.''

    Why would anybody dislike aiming to have a certain standard of human rights protection, all over the world...
    I dislike the fact they think they have the authority to decide what rights people worldwide, without their consent, must be declared to have. What a grandiose view of themselves the UN must have!
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Like it or hate it ... it's great for people in countries like Iran. Iran's government is a bunch of insane, islam-o-nazi savages who need death.
    None of whom are going to pay any damn attention to the list to begin with, so what's the point?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Not true, actually. Though these right may not be binding like the rights guaranteed in the Constitution are, but they still have "legal authority" in the sense that this declaration will contribution to international peremptory norms as to what makes up human rights, and thus what makes up a human rights violation. That is particularly important because human rights offenders are subject to universal jurisdiction, meaning they can be arrested and tried in any court even if there would otherwise be no jurisdictional ties to that country (for example, Pinochet was tried in Spain for human rights crimes he, an Argentinian, committed in Argentina against Argentinians, with no ties to Spanish jurisdiction at all, apart from the universal cognizability of his crimes). Thus, this declaration could theoretically see similar human rights crimes arising out of workers refusing to give their employees vacation time, and things like that.
    Pinochet was indicted by a Spanish judge, but was never tried for what you claim he was. He was released by Britain and sent home, where he was then charged with domestic crimes, like kipnapping etc...

    Additionally, unless those "rights" are codified elsewhere, what the DOHR has to say on the matter is meaningless.

    I don't see that there was ever any real case to try him under some "universal jurisdiction."

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    None of whom are going to pay any damn attention to the list to begin with, so what's the point?
    A good point. We would end up having to put a foot in their terroist asses.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    Why would anybody dislike aiming to have a certain standard of human rights protection, all over the world...
    Firstly, because the rights they are aiming for are too overreaching and complicated, they should stick to fewer and more basic ones at the moment, as even those are not yet accomplished in some areas.

    Secondly, because I disagree with several of the so-called "rights" listed.

    Lastly, because I disagree with the whole overall tone of the document - To me, it gives an impression of intended goal that disagrees with my preferred aim.

    Basically, I disagree with the whole thing. Not with the "rights" listed although some of them I do disagree with, but with the tone they are listed in.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

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    The OP sounds spiffy. Kumbaya....


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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    ''Basically, I disagree with the whole thing. Not with the "rights" listed although some of them I do disagree with, but with the tone they are listed in. ''

    Maybe if you lived in a country where your own human rights were being abused on a regular basis, you would not place such importance on things like the tone the rights you should have are being declared in.

    I cant imagine those who are hanging from the ceiling and having their genitals elecocuted in a prison in Iran being concerned about the tone of the doccument. Nor is the women who is being brutally raped and mutilated in DRC. Or what about the mother who has no food to put in her childrens mouths in Zimbawe. Or those who are being worked to death(literally) in Burma because if they refuse their wife and daughters will be raped by those who are supposed to be protecting society. Their only hope is that there are millions of people out there patiently negotiating with the disgusting governments of the world to start applying the code of human right to their citizens lives.

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