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Thread: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Then you should take issue with the document, as the two are, in my mind, mutually exclusive.

    As an example, take this selection from the document posted in the OP: It does not restrict anyone or thing from infringing on those rights, it simply states that they exist.

    In my mind, if this were a proper "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", it would say instead something like the following:Note that I personally consider those rights to be in descending order according to priority.

    Simply stating that everyone has X does not protect it in any way.
    why should I take issue with the document, you said how you think the document is and what you prefer, I said I wouldnt have a problem with what you prefer

    doesnt mean i dont like the document for a starting point that i mentioned earlier

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Do you agree with this?



    Things start getting weird around Article 21. Also, nothing about guns? I have no right to defend my property against thieves?

    Frankly, I hate this list. If you go by this, you have these rights and no other rights, not to mention the fact that many of them go too far.
    It contradicts itself for starters.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    ''Some parts are just to socialist for lack of a better word.''

    And it should be more tyrannical instead?

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    ''Some parts are just to socialist for lack of a better word.''

    And it should be more tyrannical instead?
    We all know "tyrannical" is the polar opposite of "socialist."
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Although the UDHR is not a legally binding document it is still of great importance as it moves upon the faces of the water and sets a standard for national and regional bills of rights like those found in constitutions, the ECHR and other legally binding documents.

    Does economic, social and cultural rights like the right to social security, education and health care belong in a document like the UDHR? Absolutely. The UDHR sets a free democratic society with freedom of speech, free elections and respect for individual liberties as the standard regimen of human rights. In order for such a society to function it is necessary for the people at large to take part in the democratic process.

    But what good are all those political liberties if the basic necessities of life are not sorted out? People who are starving, living on the street or never had any education don't have any resources to take part in a democratic society and they are thus effectively deprived of their civil liberties. If people are denied their economic and social rights participation in democracy becomes exclusive to a privileged group and thus not democratic at all.

    The UDHR sets a minimum standard for civilised societies and is as such incompatible with certain political ideologies. Human rights ban central tenets of fascism, Stalinism and libertarianism in order to protect the peoples of the world from these toxic ideologies.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    Although the UDHR is not a legally binding document it is still of great importance as it moves upon the faces of the water and sets a standard for national and regional bills of rights like those found in constitutions, the ECHR and other legally binding documents.

    Does economic, social and cultural rights like the right to social security, education and health care belong in a document like the UDHR? Absolutely. The UDHR sets a free democratic society with freedom of speech, free elections and respect for individual liberties as the standard regimen of human rights. In order for such a society to function it is necessary for the people at large to take part in the democratic process.

    But what good are all those political liberties if the basic necessities of life are not sorted out? People who are starving, living on the street or never had any education don't have any resources to take part in a democratic society and they are thus effectively deprived of their civil liberties. If people are denied their economic and social rights participation in democracy becomes exclusive to a privileged group and thus not democratic at all.

    The UDHR sets a minimum standard for civilised societies and is as such incompatible with certain political ideologies. Human rights ban central tenets of fascism, Stalinism and libertarianism in order to protect the peoples of the world from these toxic ideologies.
    Yea what it basically says is that "you're free, as long as it conforms to our definition of free."

    I can't believe you lumped libertarianism with fascism and state communism.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
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    Things start getting weird around Article 21. Also, nothing about guns? I have no right to defend my property against thieves?

    Frankly, I hate this list. If you go by this, you have these rights and no other rights, not to mention the fact that many of them go too far.
    It is completely antithetical to the concept of individual sovereignty.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Do you agree with this?



    Things start getting weird around Article 21. Also, nothing about guns? I have no right to defend my property against thieves?

    Frankly, I hate this list. If you go by this, you have these rights and no other rights, not to mention the fact that many of them go too far.
    Like it or hate it ... it's great for people in countries like Iran. Iran's government is a bunch of insane, islam-o-nazi savages who need death.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It is completely antithetical to the concept of individual sovereignty.
    Countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia deserve no sovereignty. Their government officals need to be burried in the sand and stoned to death.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Like it or hate it ... it's great for people in countries like Iran. Iran's government is a bunch of insane, islam-o-nazi savages who need death.
    It would be better than what they have now, but then again, I hate entitlements.

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