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Thread: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Yes, the article about equal pay for equal work is pretty vague. It allows government intrusions that really ignore why people are getting paid differently. For example, Thomas Sowell states the proposition that women are paid less in general because they have less experience due to pregnancies requiring that they take time off of work. Any company hiring a woman takes a risk that they will lose that production at some point. As such, men have less risk and will be paid more.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    As I read it, this document lists things in a "X has the right to this" manner.

    I prefer the "The powers that be will not infringe on X's right to this" method.

    I also prefer the thinking that any rights not specifically listed as being denied (like, for example, the right to murder someone) are by default allowed.

    And other such things that I don't have the proper words to describe at this time.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The last thing I want. So you see why I think it is ridicules.
    I said rules and bills and laws on top of what is stated here not in [/QUOTE]general

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Look around at the world today. It is the natural progression of a socialist society.
    ok, if its done properly and within reason theres nothing wrong with it, the trick is keeping it in that working, SELF SUSTAINING window. Much easier said than done.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I have no problem with the equal rights sections.

    Please don't try to tell me the burden of taking care of my family is that of the state, it's not. All the later part of this thing does is make it so no one except the state will take responsabuility for bad life choices. So those who have are forced through theft to take care of the have nots
    no one said it is the burden of the state to take care of your family thats why it would need more rules, not "endless" responsibility but occasional responsibility i have no problem with at all and see your last part about have nots is just drastic dramatization. It has to be done in moderation.

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    I like charity and give as much as I can. When it is forced through government, it is nothing more than stealing.
    so your against all taxes then?



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The Constitution the US has right now does a pretty good job without all the extra crap of this thing.
    no one said it didnt LOL but it can be improved on

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    so your against all taxes then?
    Let me introduce you to a little thing called social contract theory.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract]Social contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    As I read it, this document lists things in a "X has the right to this" manner.

    I prefer the "The powers that be will not infringe on X's right to this" method.

    I also prefer the thinking that any rights not specifically listed as being denied (like, for example, the right to murder someone) are by default allowed.


    And other such things that I don't have the proper words to describe at this time.
    i have no problem with that

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    [html]Article 3
    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.[/html]

    Notice that there is no mention of security of property without that there is no security of person-hood.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    [html]Article 3
    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.[/html]

    Notice that there is no mention of security of property without that there is no security of person-hood.
    really. we must equate the security of property to the security of personhood. i don't see the nexus between the two. please explain the connection
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    I said rules and bills and laws on top of what is stated here not in general
    Just what we need, more laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    ok, if its done properly and within reason theres nothing wrong with it, the trick is keeping it in that working, SELF SUSTAINING window. Much easier said than done.
    Has never been done properly and never will. End of discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    no one said it is the burden of the state to take care of your family thats why it would need more rules, not "endless" responsibility but occasional responsibility i have no problem with at all and see your last part about have nots is just drastic dramatization. It has to be done in moderation.
    Occasional responsibility is crap. Those two words should never be used in the same sentence. Again with the "we need more rules." No, we don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    so your against all taxes then?
    How does I don't want our taxes taken and given to welfare recipients translate into I am against all taxes?????

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    no one said it didnt LOL but it can be improved on
    Than what do we need this crap socialist manifesto for?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    really. we must equate the security of property to the security of personhood. i don't see the nexus between the two. please explain the connection
    If you have no right to property, you have no right to person.

    All rights extend from property or ownership of property. Do you own your own body? Is your body your property? No separation needs to be recognized. The security of person hood is vested in property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If you have no right to property, you have no right to person.

    All rights extend from property or ownership of property. Do you own your own body? Is your body your property? No separation needs to be recognized. The security of person hood is vested in property.
    appears we have different understandings of what constitutes "property"
    i do recognize a difference between the individual and property
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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