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Thread: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    ''...which is a nice way to say "this document has no legal authority." ''

    The idea is to guide countries around the world. It is not possible to force countries to include it in their consitutions, but if they dont they will receive continuing pressure to do so.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    No. To much of it is left open to "interpretation" to say the least. Some parts are just to socialist for lack of a better word.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    I voted yes as I didnt see any reason what so ever to vote no, al though i admit i read it kind of fast

    of course a country would need more laws, rules, bills a constitution etc but this is a great "foundation" IMO

    can anyone tell me what they dont like? why would you vote no.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    ...which is a nice way to say "this document has no legal authority."
    Not true, actually. Though these right may not be binding like the rights guaranteed in the Constitution are, but they still have "legal authority" in the sense that this declaration will contribution to international peremptory norms as to what makes up human rights, and thus what makes up a human rights violation. That is particularly important because human rights offenders are subject to universal jurisdiction, meaning they can be arrested and tried in any court even if there would otherwise be no jurisdictional ties to that country (for example, Pinochet was tried in Spain for human rights crimes he, an Argentinian, committed in Argentina against Argentinians, with no ties to Spanish jurisdiction at all, apart from the universal cognizability of his crimes). Thus, this declaration could theoretically see similar human rights crimes arising out of workers refusing to give their employees vacation time, and things like that.

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    I voted yes as I didnt see any reason what so ever to vote no, al though i admit i read it kind of fast

    of course a country would need more laws, rules, bills a constitution etc but this is a great "foundation" IMO

    can anyone tell me what they dont like? why would you vote no.
    Article 22
    Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.


    Hell no.

    Article 23

    3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.


    Don't need the government to decide how much I need to make etc to support my family. Don't need the government stealing from me to provide for others.

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    1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.


    See above.

    Need I go on?

    I want less government, not a nanny state.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Article 22
    Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.


    Hell no.

    Article 23

    3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.


    Don't need the government to decide how much I need to make etc to support my family. Don't need the government stealing from me to provide for others.

    Article 25
    1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.


    See above.

    Need I go on?

    I want less government, not a nanny state.
    yes please go on because like i said its an awesome "start" and "foundation" but of course you would need more laws, rules,bills etc.

    you read it and you think the worse, free loaders, endless taxes, to much government which is why you would need more what I said

    I read it and see a perfect way to provide equal rights for all with no unfair discrimination

    like i said its a great start and the additional things that need added are just some doses of reality here and there.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    ...a perfect way to provide equal rights for all with no unfair discrimination...
    I do not think such is possible.
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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I do not think such is possible.
    dont see why? unless your definition of equal "rights" is different than mine?

    of course there are extremes if someone says their "pursuit of happiness" is clubbing babies with puppies while kicking baby seals, or rapping kids while assulting old ladies then yes I guess they will be discriminated against but in general equal rights with no discrimination should be easy

    lots of people unfortunate want to discriminate and just dont admit it

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Well I would think that all of the positive rights in this declaration of rights violates articles 1 and 4, which guarantee liberty and freedom from enslavement. If we are forced to be nice, then aren't we being denied a liberty?

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    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    yes please go on because like i said its an awesome "start" and "foundation" but of course you would need more laws, rules,bills etc.
    The last thing I want. So you see why I think it is ridicules.

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    you read it and you think the worse, free loads, endless taxes, to much government which is why you would need more what I said
    Look around at the world today. It is the natural progression of a socialist society.

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    I read it and see a perfect way to provide equal rights for all with no unfair discrimination
    I have no problem with the equal rights sections.

    Please don't try to tell me the burden of taking care of my family is that of the state, it's not. All the later part of this thing does is make it so no one except the state will take responsabuility for bad life choices. So those who have are forced through theft to take care of the have nots.

    I like charity and give as much as I can. When it is forced through government, it is nothing more than stealing.

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    like i said its a great start and the additional things that need added or just some doeses of reality here and there.
    The Constitution the US has right now does a pretty good job without all the extra crap of this thing.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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