View Poll Results: Who is the best President of this time period?

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  • Eisenhower

    17 26.98%
  • JFK

    4 6.35%
  • LBJ

    0 0%
  • Nixon

    2 3.17%
  • Ford

    1 1.59%
  • Carter

    1 1.59%
  • Reagan

    24 38.10%
  • H.W. Bush

    0 0%
  • Clinton

    13 20.63%
  • Obama

    1 1.59%
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Thread: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

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    Re: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

    Reagan.

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    Re: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    You have Carter ranked above Dubya? You can't be serious.
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    Re: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    For me, it's a question of what JFK did that other people in that situation would *not* have done. For example, suppose that Nixon won the 1960 election instead of JFK. I'm fairly certain he would've approved the Bay of Pigs fiasco too...but I'm less sure that he would've kept a cool head during the Cuban Missile Crisis instead of listening to his generals.

    I think very few people could have maneuvered the country through the Cuban Missile Crisis the way JFK did.
    That's like saying the robber who came into the store yesterday didn't do anything bad because the robber who came in today also decided to break all my windows. It's a terrible argument. Bad is bad.

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    Re: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

    Reagan, of course.

    Even the Messiah steals his ideas, like his recent speech about BP in which he claims "someone once said 'trust, but verify'". Being the Messiah, he didn't have the decency to attribute the quote to Reagan.

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    Re: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Reagan, of course.

    Even the Messiah steals his ideas, like his recent speech about BP in which he claims "someone once said 'trust, but verify'". Being the Messiah, he didn't have the decency to attribute the quote to Reagan.
    Why Reagan? And why would you expect Obama to atribute that quote to Reagan? How do you know Reagan is the first to say it but Reagan didn't attribute it to someone else?

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    Re: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Eisenhower by far. Under his administration there were no shooting wars, interstate highways kept millions working, ended the Korean war, balanced the budget three times.

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    Under Ike's administration the first "military advisors" were sent to a little place called Vietnam.

    Under JFK, he caused the Bay of Pigs, and the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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    Re: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Under Ike's administration the first "military advisors" were sent to a little place called Vietnam.

    Under JFK, he caused the Bay of Pigs, and the Cuban Missile Crisis.
    Eisenhower started the Bay of Pigs operation. And how is the Cuban Missile Crisis a bad thing? How is the Soviet Union removing missiles from Cuba bad? And we have military advisorers in many places but we don't usually have people like LBJ who decide to make the conflict into a full-blown war and go in using an incident that didn't happen.

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    Re: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Why Reagan? And why would you expect Obama to atribute that quote to Reagan? How do you know Reagan is the first to say it but Reagan didn't attribute it to someone else?
    I would expect the Messiah to attribute the quote to Reagan because Reagan is the man who made it famous.

    If I recall, and I could be wrong, Reagan attributed that quote to his father.

    Regardless, the Messiah was merely demonstrating his third-rate stature, as usual.

    Why Reagan? Besides winning the Cold War, reversing That Idiot Carter, and presiding over the American Restoration, he was an all-around likeable guy with the faith that Americans left free to do will use the freedom to do great things. That cannot be said of any of the other presidents on the list.

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    Re: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I would expect the Messiah to attribute the quote to Reagan because Reagan is the man who made it famous.

    If I recall, and I could be wrong, Reagan attributed that quote to his father.

    Regardless, the Messiah was merely demonstrating his third-rate stature, as usual.

    Why Reagan? Besides winning the Cold War, reversing That Idiot Carter, and presiding over the American Restoration, he was an all-around likeable guy with the faith that Americans left free to do will use the freedom to do great things. That cannot be said of any of the other presidents on the list.
    Yes he sped up the process, by the Soviet Union was crumbling and would have fallen soon anyways. He also expanded the uneffective war on drugs as well and this thing called the Iran-Contra affair happened, not sure if you have heard of it.

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    Re: Who is the best President from Eisenhower to Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's like saying the robber who came into the store yesterday didn't do anything bad because the robber who came in today also decided to break all my windows. It's a terrible argument. Bad is bad.

    I have no clue what that analogy is supposed to mean, but I tend to view presidents mostly as a product of their times. So I don't necessarily view presidents as good if the events of their term were mostly good, or bad if the events of their term were mostly bad. I try to look at how the president HIMSELF impacted events, by considering what someone else in his position would have likely done. I tend to evaluate them more on the number of unforced errors they make, and the number of times they can snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat. On that count, JFK wins by a considerable margin. IMO very few people would have kept a cool head during the Cuban Missile Crisis the way JFK did, whereas many people would have authorized the Bay of Pigs invasion or something similar.
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