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    27 47.37%
  • Intentional effort to mislead, with a goal of increasing opposition.

    24 42.11%
  • Correct understanding of the law and its consequences.

    11 19.30%
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    New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    I haven't been paying that much attention to the hype over this new law, but it seems to me that much of it is uninformed or intentionally misleading.

    I read the document: Link to .pdf of the law, will need a reader for .pdf files.

    After reading part of it, so far I can't really see any issue with it, or why it is a bad thing.

    Perhaps I simply cannot parse the legalese to understand the points of contention, but....

    Anyway, on to the poll.

    Why do you think there is a negative response to the new Arizona Immigration law?
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT[...]
    Probably this part. Whatever defines 'reasonable suspicion'.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Reading further, this seemed that it might be one area of disagreement:

    E. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A PEACE OFFICER MAY LAWFULLY STOP
    ANY PERSON WHO IS OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE IF THE OFFICER HAS REASONABLE SUSPICION TO BELIEVE THE PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF ANY CIVIL TRAFFIC LAW AND THIS SECTION.
    However, I don't see much issue, so if there is one, please point it out.
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Probably this part. Whatever defines 'reasonable suspicion'.
    It is a bit vague, and probably too discretionary.

    But that is something that is necessary in law enforcement, sometimes...I think...meh, I dunno.
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Note: In the link I posted, I believe the changes added with this recent bill are in BLUE CAPS.

    To aid in reading relevant portions.
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Additionally, there's the matter of what constitutes "lawful contact." Illegal immigrants will be dissuaded from reporting crimes against them or against others, for fear that they will be deported.
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    It's all too vague. How do you systematize what constitutes reasonable suspicion that someone is an illegal alien? Just round up the scraggly ones? And whats this about the police being sued for not asking for peoples documents I heard that one on the interweb too.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT[...]
    Probably this part. Whatever defines 'reasonable suspicion'.
    A thought/question: How to better define the 'reasonable suspicion'?
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Incorrect understanding of the law and its consequences.

    I believe that this is only a small fraction of the opposition. mostly being deceived by the majority of those who support illegal immigration,=.


    Intentional effort to mislead, with a goal of increasing opposition.

    I believe this is the vast majority of the opposition. Pro-illegals do not like any enforcement and often times have to resort lies about the opposition and anti-illegal immigration laws. States enforcing anti-illegal immigration laws means Amnesty will have a snowball's chance in hell and eventually with all the illegals fleeing to sanctuary states and cities they will eventually have to crack down on illegal immigration too.
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    I wouldn't know the police have to work with their suspicions and be free to act at times to do the right thing, but distinguishing someones legal status is crystal ball crap.

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