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    27 47.37%
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    24 42.11%
  • Correct understanding of the law and its consequences.

    11 19.30%
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    25 43.86%
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Thread: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Probable cause is not needed to A S K for anything.
    It is for ID in any State.... by any cop.... on any day.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    It is for ID in any State.... by any cop.... on any day.

    As a police officer, You have no clue what you are talking about.

    I can A S K anyone for their ID.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    As a police officer, You have no clue what you are talking about.

    I can A S K anyone for their ID.
    OK, a cop can ask, but you don't have to comply unless said cop presents "reasonable cause" to be asking..... this is basic Constitutional law.

    Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    OK, a cop can ask, but you don't have to comply unless said cop presents "reasonable cause" to be asking..... this is basic Constitutional law.
    Why do you think Ive been bolding and underlining the word ASK?
    At any time have I stated that the individual is required to comply?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Why do you think Ive been bolding and underlining the word ASK?
    At any time have I stated that the individual is required to comply?
    I suppose not, but from the context of your posts it looked like you were saying that the law allowed cops to just stop anyone on the street for no reason.... and they can once or twice. Then they are in court for harassment.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I suppose not, but from the context of your posts it looked like you were saying that the law allowed cops to just stop anyone on the street for no reason.... and they can once or twice. Then they are in court for harassment.
    I directly stated, and in parenthesis explained, that an officer can ask anyone to stop and talk to him at any time and that they are under no obligation to do so unless the officer has reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, in the process of committing, or has been involved in the commission of a crime or violation of state law.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I directly stated, and in parenthesis explained, that an officer can ask anyone to stop and talk to him at any time and that they are under no obligation to do so unless the officer has reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, in the process of committing, or has been involved in the commission of a crime or violation of state law.
    Missed it......
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    correct me if I am wrong, [and I'm sure you will] but I thought the police, after say a stopsign violation stop, only determined if subject has a operators lic, and/or green card. The officer then turned subject over to ICE for further investigation, if no lic, or no green card
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by country View Post
    correct me if I am wrong, [and I'm sure you will] but I thought the police, after say a stopsign violation stop, only determined if subject has a operators lic, and/or green card. The officer then turned subject over to ICE for further investigation.
    Under this law they can investigate for themselves.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Then why does ICE say they may not process illegals turned over by police?

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