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    27 47.37%
  • Intentional effort to mislead, with a goal of increasing opposition.

    24 42.11%
  • Correct understanding of the law and its consequences.

    11 19.30%
  • Sincere disagreement with both the law and its consequences.

    25 43.86%
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    It's all too vague. How do you systematize what constitutes reasonable suspicion that someone is an illegal alien? Just round up the scraggly ones? And whats this about the police being sued for not asking for peoples documents I heard that one on the interweb too.
    Probably this?:
    F. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN FEDERAL LAW, OFFICIALS OR AGENCIES OF THIS STATE AND COUNTIES, CITIES, TOWNS AND OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS OF THIS STATE MAY NOT BE PROHIBITED OR IN ANY WAY BE RESTRICTED FROM SENDING, RECEIVING OR MAINTAINING INFORMATION RELATING TO THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF ANY INDIVIDUAL OR EXCHANGING THAT INFORMATION WITH ANY OTHER FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY FOR THE FOLLOWING OFFICIAL PURPOSES:
    1. DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR ANY PUBLIC BENEFIT, SERVICE OR LICENSE PROVIDED BY ANY FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE.
    2. VERIFYING ANY CLAIM OF RESIDENCE OR DOMICILE IF DETERMINATION OF RESIDENCE OR DOMICILE IS REQUIRED UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS STATE OR A JUDICIAL ORDER ISSUED PURSUANT TO A CIVIL OR CRIMINAL PROCEEDING IN THIS STATE.
    3. CONFIRMING THE IDENTITY OF ANY PERSON WHO IS DETAINED.
    4. IF THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN, DETERMINING WHETHER THE PERSON IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION LAWS PRESCRIBED BY TITLE II, CHAPTER 7 OF THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT.
    Note: On page 1, line 40.

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    G. A PERSON MAY BRING AN ACTION IN SUPERIOR COURT TO CHALLENGE ANY OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ADOPTS OR IMPLEMENTS A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW. IF THERE IS A JUDICIAL FINDING THAT AN ENTITY HAS VIOLATED THIS SECTION, THE COURT SHALL ORDER ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: 1. THAT THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT THE ACTION RECOVER COURT COSTS AND ATTORNEY FEES.
    2. THAT THE ENTITY PAY A CIVIL PENALTY OF NOT LESS THAN ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS AND NOT MORE THAN FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EACH DAY THAT THE POLICY HAS REMAINED IN EFFECT AFTER THE FILING OF AN ACTION PURSUANT TO THIS SUBSECTION.
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I wouldn't know the police have to work with their suspicions and be free to act at times to do the right thing, but distinguishing someones legal status is crystal ball crap.
    Which is why, as I understand it, they must check with federal authorities as to the suspected illegal's immigration status.
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Which is why, as I understand it, they must check with federal authorities as to the suspected illegal's immigration status.
    While you wait in an ICE holding cell or something?

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    I personally believe AZ is much clearer than the one California passed a few years back. Calif. Penal Code Sec. 834b "834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws"

    I'll use the same tactic of people opposing Az law. No where does it give guidance or define how the LE is to determine "suspected". Its racist, its racial profiling, LE will run amock.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    While you wait in an ICE holding cell or something?
    I suppose so.

    That is an area that could be disputed.

    If anything, lawsuits because of officers arresting those who are not illegal immigrants will potentially reduce arrests based on faulty logic/racism/whatever.
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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    I would say all three of the following:

    Incorrect understanding of the law and its consequences.
    Intentional effort to mislead, with a goal of increasing opposition.
    Sincere disagreement with both the law and its consequences.

    Some seem to be negative towards it based on assumptions presented as fact, or just flat out inaccuracies presented as fact. This happens in large part due to an intentional effort ot mislead. While at the same time I do think there are still others that DO understand that law and simply disagree with it on principle, even after understanding.

    I do think there's also a few others. I think there are some who disagree with it based on their assumptions of what COULD happen, but are not acting as if their assumptions are garaunteed facts. I put them in a different category than the first listed. Also there are some that likely are negative towards it for no other reason than politics.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I personally believe AZ is much clearer than the one California passed a few years back. Calif. Penal Code Sec. 834b "834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws"

    I'll use the same tactic of people opposing Az law. No where does it give guidance or define how the LE is to determine "suspected". Its racist, its racial profiling, LE will run amock.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    I feel those who are protesting the law right now are jumping to conclusions about how it will be implemented. I don't know if they misread the law or were mislead by the media, but they should wait to see how it is implemented before boycotting Arizona. If Hispanics are commonly harassed, repeal the law or boycott Arizona. If it turns out to work and be non-discriminatory, keep it.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    They are trying to intentionally mislead the public regarding the law and trying to paint Republicans as racists. They irrationally hate this law and treat it as some grave civil rights violation. They are ill informed and motivated by pure hatred and partisanship.

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    Re: New Arizona Immigration Law: Why the negative response?

    The only people who are against this law are people who aren't from Arizona and illegal alliens or people who know illegal aliens. Arizonians don't mind being stopped by the police if it means being able to punish more illegal immigrants. If you don't live in Arizona you don't what it's like to have illegal immigrants cross the border every day in numbers that amount to over 100 sometimes. You don't know what it's like for them to be coming onto your property begging for food and water. You don't know what it's like to see cars that have bodies literally stacked on top of each other in cars. You don't know what it's like to have over 70% of your crime due to illegal immigrants. You don't know what it's like when you suffer because of the national government's screw up. I'm happy Arizona state officials are trying to help Arizonians because the federal government sure as hell isn't doing anything to try to help us. Don't talk if you don't know what it's like.

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