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  • We should build upon them, but not completely transform them.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I think you're getting close to my opinion, which is that they were original thinkers, your term not mine and I like it, implementing their ideas and publishing their thoughtful opinions about it in the Federalist Papers, The Federalist Papers were of course published in New York periodicals to bring to public the thinking behind the compromise and balance of the Constitution.

    What makes these writings so important is that they are the first thoughtful arguments made in favor of the Constitution. They have already had many of the discussions that you all will recycle. Between the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers you get a good picture of the issues that are still as pertinent today.
    I would agree with you. The Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers are some of the most cited documents in Constitutional case law... and have been for over 200 years. It is these papers that give the Constitution it's life and it's soul.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    From this report:
    That the object to which an appropriation of money is to be made be General and not local; its operation extending in fact, or by possibility, throughout the Union, and not being confined to a particular spot.
    Therefore Hamilton agrees with me, that much of what Congress has done since FDR has been a usurpation of the Constitution.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Why? They never used a computer, flew on an airplane, or fought a war in another country across the ocean. They were farmers and silversmiths and country lawyers.

    Were they important? Sure. But they never intended the government of this nation to be set in an unchanging stasis dictated by the mores and beliefs of the early 19th century.

    Even Jefferson stated at the time that he thought the Constitution would need to be rewritten every 20 years or so to take into consideration a changing society.

    I disagree with him, of course, as do many other Founding Fathers -- which just goes to show that you can't rely upon the FF to solve every Constitutional question, because even they disagreed.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    From this report:


    Therefore Hamilton agrees with me, that much of what Congress has done since FDR has been a usurpation of the Constitution.
    How can it be usurpation if we, the people, using the process provided by the Constitution, have changed it?

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    How can it be usurpation if we, the people, using the process provided by the Constitution, have changed it?
    Because you're missing the point. This isn't about amending the Constitution, and the Constitution hasn't been amended in any way to address this issue.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You mean the constitution could be AMENDED? (i.e. changed)

    SHOCKING!
    To you perhaps, but as I said from the outset of my entry into this conversation:

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    ... it is incorrect to view the Constitution as a "living document". Its not cast in stone though; if you want to change it, go through the amendment process.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Were they important? Sure. But they never intended the government of this nation to be set in an unchanging stasis dictated by the mores and beliefs of the early 19th century.
    So their intent does matter, as HG was saying?

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    the founing Fathers where BRITS THATS HOW U SPEAK ENGLISH.

    Jefferson god bless him.

    thats y i love u guys.USA for Ever.


    mikeey

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    How can it be usurpation if we, the people, using the process provided by the Constitution, have changed it?
    Which amendment was that?

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Because you're missing the point. This isn't about amending the Constitution, and the Constitution hasn't been amended in any way to address this issue.
    Because it didn't need to be. Amending the Constitution is, for the most part, unnecessary. Most everything that we need, even as a modern society is there. All that needs to occur is for what is written to be interpreted and applied to current situations. Pretty easy to do, and it has been done for more than two centuries. If this wasn't the case, we would have to throw out and rewrite the Constitution every 50 years or so. Why, when this amazing document is fully adequate. This is also why, as Hamilton said, the language was kept general and not specific. So it WOULD apply to future generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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