View Poll Results: What should be done with the Founders' ideas?

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  • We should build upon them, but not completely transform them.

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  • They need to be fundamentally transformed.

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  • They're dead. Who cares what they thought?

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    He is correct.

    The average American knows little about our own history and geography, national or world. It is a sad fact.
    Provide proof for your assertion or is it just your opinion?

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    You prove the point about morons.
    Personal attacks are not necessary. Please remain topical and constructive.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Provide proof for your assertion or is it just your opinion?
    It is a sad fact...

    Study: Americans Don't Know Much About History | NBC Los Angeles

    A majority of Americans from all backgrounds struggled to come up with the correct answers in a quiz about American history by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute (ISI). More than 2,500 randomly selected Americans took ISI's basic 33 question test on civic literacy and 71% of them received an average score of 49% or an "F."

    NPR: (Americans) Don't Know Much About History

    For years, I used to joke to my family back in Canada about the number of times I had to tell American friends about their own country's history, or which senator was from what state or where such-and-such country was.

    Now, a new survey by Newsweek shows my friends weren't an isolated group: when it comes to history, current events or culture, the U.S. is a "Dunce-Cap Nation."


    http://www.psbresearch.com/files/Ame...lease%20v1.pdf

    On to geography....

    Americans shaky on geography - Education- msnbc.com

    Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 fared even worse with foreign locations: six in 10 couldn’t find Iraq, according to a Roper poll conducted for National Geographic.

    CNN.com - Study: Geography Greek to young Americans - May 2, 2006

    The study found that less than six months after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, 33 percent could not point out Louisiana on a U.S. map.

    An example of how others see us...

    How, if at all, is geography taught in schools in the USA? | Ask MetaFilter

    It's a cliché about people from the USA that they are ignorant of geography. Not just world geography but their own as well. And I have to say that my experience ("You're from Australia? You speak English very well!" "You're British? I thought you were from England!") has confirmed the cliché somewhat.

    So you can insult 1984 all you like. He knew what he was talking about, as do I.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Blackdog, do you know of an online quiz for civics/history/geography? That would be a fun thread.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Well, I applaud your ability to be a superman who is not influenced by these things. You are truly a giant among us mere mortals.

    Really though, I guess until you come back down to reality, there is no point in debating.
    Don't blame me for the absurdity of your arguments.

    If you think the Progressive Lady and the Geico Lizard have such a profound effect on American society so as to render the Founders irrelevant, I can only chuckle at you.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Blackdog, do you know of an online quiz for civics/history/geography? That would be a fun thread.
    It would be fun although most here being into politics etc would have no problem with it. It would not reflect the average American at all.

    The majority of people here (moonbats aside of all political leanings) are fairly smart and up on those subjects.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It would be fun although most here being into politics etc would have no problem with it. It would not reflect the average American at all.

    The majority of people here (moonbats aside of all political leanings) are fairly smart and up on those subjects.
    Yeah, I know I have learned a lot since being here.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sure, just like every other generation does. What's your point?
    Most generations don't build our system of government and get our nation going. The Founding Fathers pledged their lives, property, and sacred honor to that cause.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    We have gotten to where we are by reinterpreting the Constitution to better match the reality of today...not by agonizing over what the Founding Fathers would have thought about modern political issues.
    The Constitution and other founding documents are the foundation of our system of government. When you can reinterpret them to mean whatever they want without going through the amendment process, the documents become meaningless. If you want to understand the documents, it's best to go through what these men wrote. Simply dismissing them has a bunch of old fogies who simply don't apply to today ignore what they built.
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Yeah, I know I have learned a lot since being here.
    So have I.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Don't blame me for the absurdity of your arguments.

    If you think the Progressive Lady and the Geico Lizard have such a profound effect on American society so as to render the Founders irrelevant, I can only chuckle at you.
    That's because you only choose to view my argument a certain way and invoke certain characters that allows you to marginalize it in your own mind.

    However, if you choose not to admit that there is a real difference between viewpoints and a concerted effort to influence the public, than I can only chuckle at you as well.


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