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  • We should build upon them, but not completely transform them.

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Thread: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not to be rude cap but this entire thread has been filled with all sorts of hyperbole.
    The constant rehashing of slavery, like we haven't heard it before, is getting incredibly annoying.

    The Constitution purposefully limited what the Federal government could do.
    It was pretty blatant within the whole writing of the document and now people are trying to feed me this nonsense that it doesn't limit it.

    Or they are telling me that the we should change it to allow them to do more, which is pretty disturbing.
    Consider all the corruption, cronyism, purposeful manipulation, scandals, the crazy amounts of debt.

    It's like asking you drug addicted, alcoholic, felon brother to manage your bank account while you're away.
    It doesn't flow logically.
    This makes the assumption that the states or business are any more drug addicted, alcoholic, or felonious than the federal government. They're not.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This makes the assumption that the states or business are any more drug addicted, alcoholic, or felonious than the federal government. They're not.
    Come on now, I know you do enough research to know that these guys who run the show, are some of the most spineless, greedy, self serving individuals.

    They consistently lie in order to bait people into following them.

    (Shouldn't have said the drug addict, alcohol stuff. Was to quick to judge and went a bit overboard.
    Should of said kleptomaniac or something similar which signifies an untrustworthy person, would of made more sense.)
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Come on now, I know you do enough research to know that these guys who run the show, are some of the most spineless, greedy, self serving individuals.

    They consistently lie in order to bait people into following them.
    Who, the feds or those who run multi-national corporations? I'd say they're about equal.

    State officials are slightly lower on the corrupt scale, though not by much. Think about it. Why would anyone vote for someone who's main purpose is to get elected? If you really examine that statement, it is clear why corruption in practically unavoidable.


    (Shouldn't have said the drug addict, alcohol stuff. Was to quick to judge and went a bit overboard.
    Should of said kleptomaniac or something similar which signifies an untrustworthy person, would of made more sense.)
    Eh, either way, I got what you were saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Who, the feds or those who run multi-national corporations? I'd say they're about equal.

    State officials are slightly lower on the corrupt scale, though not by much. Think about it. Why would anyone vote for someone who's main purpose is to get elected? If you really examine that statement, it is clear why corruption in practically unavoidable.
    You understand my position, that's why I want the least amount of power in their hands.
    No matter if it is trivial or major things.

    That does not exclude corporations, I want them to have less power as well.

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    Eh, either way, I got what you were saying.
    Yea but not all drug addicts, alcoholics and felons are completely bad people.
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You understand my position, that's why I want the least amount of power in their hands.
    No matter if it is trivial or major things.

    That does not exclude corporations, I want them to have less power as well.
    I understand that. However, reality is that these two groups having power is unavoidable. Which is why there must be some significant checks and balances between the two. A tightrope between the "free market" and regulation.



    Yea but not all drug addicts, alcoholics and felons are completely bad people.
    True. Nor are all kleptomaniacs. I got what you were getting at. No harm, no foul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I understand that. However, reality is that these two groups having power is unavoidable. Which is why there must be some significant checks and balances between the two. A tightrope between the "free market" and regulation.
    Then our definition of regulation needs to be clarified.
    I think all transactions between people/businesses are covered under contract law, which is/was pretty comprehensive since the beginning of the U.S.

    Often though, it doesn't get enforced by regulators and they consequently turn a blind eye to definite infractions.
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Then our definition of regulation needs to be clarified.
    I think all transactions between people/businesses are covered under contract law, which is/was pretty comprehensive since the beginning of the U.S.

    Often though, it doesn't get enforced by regulators and they consequently turn a blind eye to definite infractions.
    I'm talking more about larger regulatory issues, such as pollution, monopolies, and unethical practices. Health care, for example, needs a hell of a lot of regulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm talking more about larger regulatory issues, such as pollution, monopolies, and unethical practices. Health care, for example, needs a hell of a lot of regulation.
    Pollution- There are no technicalities in regards to pollution.
    It can be regulated by the feds, since a lot of it crosses state lines.

    Monopoly- There is a lot of BS in our current monopoly laws.
    The exemptions for health insurance companies and unions is one of them.
    In my studies thus far, 99% of monopolies arise because of actions taken by the government.
    The one exception so far is DeBeers.

    I'm fine with monopoly laws as long as they cover everything, not just pet businesses.

    Unethical Practices- Definitely covered in basic contract law.
    It just has to be enforced.

    Medical Care- It is plagued by so many favorisms and garbage that the laws would need to be repealed and reconsidered , to properly fix it for real.
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Pollution- There are no technicalities in regards to pollution.
    It can be regulated by the feds, since a lot of it crosses state lines.

    Monopoly- There is a lot of BS in our current monopoly laws.
    The exemptions for health insurance companies and unions is one of them.
    In my studies thus far, 99% of monopolies arise because of actions taken by the government.
    The one exception so far is DeBeers.

    I'm fine with monopoly laws as long as they cover everything, not just pet businesses.

    Unethical Practices- Definitely covered in basic contract law.
    It just has to be enforced.

    Medical Care- It is plagued by so many favorisms and garbage that the laws would need to be repealed and reconsidered , to properly fix it for real.
    I would say that I can basically agree with what you said here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would say that I can basically agree with what you said here.

    I'll remember this when I become President, An advisory position or Cabinet Post will be yours.
    Dag nabit, we're supposed to disagree.

    Umm ummm Freud was a loon! Ha!
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