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  • We should build upon them, but not completely transform them.

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  • They need to be fundamentally transformed.

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  • They're dead. Who cares what they thought?

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    You neglect the third option: the Amendment process. See my response to MSgt.
    No I didn't. That's a given. However, there is no need to amend the Constitution, if the law is right there, already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yep you're absolutely right.
    They weren't the holiest of holy.
    They were fallible just like you and I.

    That still does not take away from the basic idea of, limited state governance with maximum self governance.
    Now applied equally to all people of all races and genders.
    Limited state governance is impossible when the governed transcend national boundaries.


    I would live in abject fear of what moronic ideas that would come from a new form of government.
    (not saying you're moronic)

    The ideas of what people now consider a right is completely illogical and unreasonable.
    So in a world where the literacy rate dwarves the 18th century. In a world where we understand more about our world and about how we function as humans, than any time previously. In a world where the large majority of people understand that tough there may be differences of race, religion, language, and gender we shouldn't discriminate accordingly.

    You find fear the government this world would bring. You believe that the world of racism, sexism, large ignorance and fear of the ignorant masses makes a better government?
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No I didn't. That's a given. However, there is no need to amend the Constitution, if the law is right there, already.
    I'm not advocating any amendment. What I advocate is Congress abiding by it, as written.
    Last edited by Southern Man; 05-16-10 at 09:35 PM. Reason: sp; Abiding

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    I'm not advocating any amendment. What I advocate is Congress aiding by it, as written.
    I didn't say you were. And I advocate using the Constitution to deal with current situations. Everything we need is right there as the founders intended, which is why the Constitution does NOT cover everything, but can be used for nearly everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    You're probably scared of a lot of things.
    Only ignorance.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Limited state governance is impossible when the governed transcend national boundaries.
    What is so important that the government needs to be involved in so many things?
    Things that have been dealt with privately for a long time.

    I think you, like others, are making excuses for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    So in a world where the literacy rate dwarves the 18th century. In a world where we understand more about our world and about how we function as humans, than any time previously. In a world where the large majority of people understand that tough there may be differences of race, religion, language, and gender we shouldn't discriminate accordingly.
    You give modern society way to much credit, more than I'm giving the FF's.

    A majority of people think that limited resources can be rationed efficiently by government.
    They aren't that much different.

    Many of those things people don't believe as widely as you think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    You find fear the government this world would bring. You believe that the world of racism, sexism, large ignorance and fear of the ignorant masses makes a better government?
    Yea, in it was created the basic idea that I should be able to live as I see fit without forceful interruption from outsiders.
    As long as I didn't purposefully hurt anyone.

    Now people think I should be forced to accept their version of right, even when facts contradict it.
    They are willing to use force to make me comply.
    Last edited by Harry Guerrilla; 05-16-10 at 09:34 PM.
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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Only ignorance.
    So open a book.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    So open a book.
    I have already read more books in my lifetime than you will ever dream of.

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I didn't say you were. And I advocate using the Constitution to deal with current situations. Everything we need is right there as the founders intended, which is why the Constitution does NOT cover everything, but can be used for nearly everything.
    Oh really? Where's the clause for Obamacare?

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    Re: Our Founding Fathers' Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I have already read more books in my lifetime than you will ever dream of.
    Right now I'm dreaming of two or three.

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