View Poll Results: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

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  • Yes, in all languages

    18 18.95%
  • Only in the more commonly spoken languages

    12 12.63%
  • Ballots in the United States should only be in English

    63 66.32%
  • Other, please explain

    2 2.11%
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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    We do this in NL, I'll never forget the anger of my Turkish neighbour when he received his electric bill in Turkish. He phoned them and showed his ability to voice his outrage in dutch slang while threatening to pay with dinars.

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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Got this in an email. Source unknown.


    I bought a bird feeder. I hung
    it on my back porch and filled
    it with seed. What a beauty of
    a bird feeder it was, as I filled it
    lovingly with seed. Within a
    week we had hundreds of birds
    taking advantage of the
    continuous flow of free and
    easily accessible food.

    But then the birds started
    building nests in the boards
    of the patio, above the table,
    and next to the barbecue.

    Then came the poop. It was
    everywhere: on the patio tile,
    the chairs, the table. Everywhere!

    Then some of the birds turned mean.
    They would dive bomb me and try to
    peck me even though I had fed them
    out of my own pocket.


    And other birds were boisterous and loud.
    They sat on the feeder and
    squawked and screamed at
    all hours of the day and night
    and demanded that I fill it
    when it got low on food.

    After a while, I couldn't even
    sit on my own back porch
    anymore. So I took down the
    bird feeder and in three days
    the birds were gone.. I cleaned
    up their mess and took down
    the many nests they had built
    all over the patio.

    Soon, the back yard was like
    it used to be, quiet, serene
    and no one demanding their
    rights to a free meal.

    Now let's see.
    Our government gives out
    free food, subsidized housing,
    free medical care, free education
    and allows anyone born here
    to be an automatic citizen.

    Then the illegals came by the
    tens of thousands. Suddenly,
    our taxes went up to pay for
    free services; small apartments
    are housing 5 families; you
    have to wait 6 hours to be seen
    by an emergency room doctor.
    Your child's 2nd grade class is
    behind other schools because over
    half the class doesn't speak English.

    Corn flakes now come in a
    bilingual box; I have to
    'press one' to hear my bank
    talk to me in English, and
    people waving flags other
    than 'Old Glory' are
    squawking and screaming
    in the streets, demanding
    more rights and free liberties.

    Just my opinion, but maybe
    it's time for the government
    to take down the bird feeder.

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Are you not paying attention? We're discussing things like ballot questions, not the name of the politician, which doesn't get translated anyway. Sheesh.
    Your point seem null.

    Proficiency Tests: U.S. Citizenship Test: Knowing English - CliffsNotes

    The USCIS citizenship test is not a test of specific grammatical concepts in English. It is a test to determine whether or not you have the basic skills to communicate.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Look.

    If a person who wants to vote can't read and understand the ballot, has only a very basic understanding of english and thus probably hasn't understood all the debate heard in recent (as in before the election) days, and doesn't want to take the time to ask the poll staff a question or two, then...

    I don't think they should be voting anyway.

    As they probably don't understand the issues or take it seriously anyway.
    Education.

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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Look.

    If a person who wants to vote can't read and understand the ballot, has only a very basic understanding of english and thus probably hasn't understood all the debate heard in recent (as in before the election) days, and doesn't want to take the time to ask the poll staff a question or two, then...

    I don't think they should be voting anyway.

    As they probably don't understand the issues or take it seriously anyway.
    There are Spanish language TV stations, Spanish Language newspapers, Spanish language magazines, and lots of Spanish content on the web. To suppose that some one who is better at reading Spanish than English is therefore uneducated solely for that reason is obviously false.

    Further, there is no requirement for level of knowledge on issues to vote.
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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are Spanish language TV stations, Spanish Language newspapers, Spanish language magazines, and lots of Spanish content on the web. To suppose that some one who is better at reading Spanish than English is therefore uneducated solely for that reason is obviously false.
    Never claimed any such thing.

    I'm saying that if a person won't take the time to learn the native language of the country they have become a citizen of, even if only on a basic level, they will obviously have a more difficult time understanding debates (if said debates are in English) about upcoming elections.

    Not to mention, they obviously (to me) don't take their citizenship seriously enough to learn the native language.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Further, there is no requirement for level of knowledge on issues to vote.
    Never said there was.

    I saying that if they haven't taken the time to learn the necessary skills to understand the voting system, and need it explained in a different language, they probably won't make as informed a decision as I would like.

    This applies to people whose families have lived here for 10s or 100s of years, too.

    And, if they can't make an informed decision, I don't think they should be voting anyway.
    Education.

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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Never claimed any such thing.

    I'm saying that if a person won't take the time to learn the native language of the country they have become a citizen of, even if only on a basic level, they will obviously have a more difficult time understanding debates (if said debates are in English) about upcoming elections.

    Not to mention, they obviously (to me) don't take their citizenship seriously enough to learn the native language.
    There are a fair number of people born in this country, citizens by birth, who are more comfortable reading Spanish.

    Never said there was.

    I saying that if they haven't taken the time to learn the necessary skills to understand the voting system, and need it explained in a different language, they probably won't make as informed a decision as I would like.

    This applies to people whose families have lived here for 10s or 100s of years, too.

    And, if they can't make an informed decision, I don't think they should be voting anyway.
    And yet we explain the voting system to people who speak English if they need it.
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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are a fair number of people born in this country, citizens by birth, who are more comfortable reading Spanish.
    Why?

    Spanish isn't the common language, and the majority of media (books, documents, websites, etc) are in English.

    Additionally, English is taught in all schools (I assume).

    So how can a citizen by birth, having gone to school and learned English as their primary language, having grown up in a country where English is the primary and common language, be more comfortable reading in Spanish?

    I obviously lack some information that would lead to my understanding why the situation is as you claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And yet we explain the voting system to people who speak English if they need it.
    I have a few issues with that.

    Either the voting system is too complex, or our school system is not working correctly.
    Education.

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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Look.

    If a person who wants to vote can't read and understand the ballot, has only a very basic understanding of english and thus probably hasn't understood all the debate heard in recent (as in before the election) days, and doesn't want to take the time to ask the poll staff a question or two, then...

    I don't think they should be voting anyway.

    As they probably don't understand the issues or take it seriously anyway.
    You've just described about 70% of American citizens, people who were ****ing BORN here.
    I'm Done

    See my last post

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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    You've just described about 70% of American citizens, people who were ****ing BORN here.
    Yes...And?

    How does that change my point?
    Education.

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