View Poll Results: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    All of which totally ignores the present laws..... good job.
    You'll have to elaborate.
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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    You'll have to elaborate.
    To become a naturalized citizen of this country you have to pass a test..... that is law. Part of that test is to prove that you speak, read, and write English..... that is law.

    To say that this shouldn't be the way things are flies in the face of existing law.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do not need to be a grammar nazi douche to be able to read a ballot.
    No, you dont. But you need to be able to understand what the ballot is saying. For someone who doesnt speak English or speak it very well, that's going to be a problem.

    However every citizen should be able to proficiently speak,read and write in English seeing how education is mandatory.
    Most American born citizens cant read, write, or speak English proficiently.

    Naturalized citizens have to pass a english proficiency test before they can even be a naturalized citizen. Non-citizens do not get to vote in elections.
    That is true, however not the issue.

    The problem is even people who are born in the US, if they are born into ESL families, they may not have a great understanding of English. They can get by, they can speak basic English and read basic signs, but reading a complex piece of text in English is more than they're used to.
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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    No, you dont. But you need to be able to understand what the ballot is saying. For someone who doesnt speak English or speak it very well, that's going to be a problem.

    Most American born citizens cant read, write, or speak English proficiently.

    That is true, however not the issue.

    The problem is even people who are born in the US, if they are born into ESL families, they may not have a great understanding of English. They can get by, they can speak basic English and read basic signs, but reading a complex piece of text in English is more than they're used to.
    If you think a ballot is a piece of complex text then you have poor vocabulary and english skills. This is America, learn English (not directly at you, just the people who don't know the language).

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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    If you think a ballot is a piece of complex text then you have poor vocabulary and english skills. This is America, learn English (not directly at you, just the people who don't know the language).
    Let's take a look at one

    Proposition 14
    http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ball...-chaptered.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Prop 14 Excerpt
    This measure, which would be known as the “Top Two Primaries Act,”
    would provide for a “voter-nominated primary election” for each state
    elective office and congressional office in California, in which a voter may
    vote at the primary election for any candidate for a congressional or state
    elective office without regard to the political party preference disclosed by
    the candidate or the voter. The measure would further provide that a
    candidate for a congressional or state elective office generally may choose
    whether to have his or her political party preference indicated upon the
    ballot for that office in the manner to be provided by statute. The measure
    would prohibit a political party or party central committee from nominating
    a candidate for a congressional or state elective office at the primary, but
    the measure would permit a political party or party central committee to
    endorse, support, or oppose a candidate for congressional or state elective
    office. The 2 candidates receiving the 2 highest vote totals for each office
    at a primary election, regardless of party preference, would then compete
    for the office at the ensuing general election. This measure would require
    the Legislature to provide for partisan elections for presidential candidates,
    political party committees, and party central steering committees.
    Now do you really think someone who doesnt speak English very well is going to be able to read and understand that clearly?
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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    No, you dont. But you need to be able to understand what the ballot is saying. For someone who doesnt speak English or speak it very well, that's going to be a problem.
    The only people that would be a problem for are non-citizens. Last I checked education is mandatory, so anyone born here should be able to read,write and speak english.

    Most American born citizens cant read, write, or speak English proficiently.
    What evidence is there of this?


    The problem is even people who are born in the US, if they are born into ESL families, they may not have a great understanding of English.
    Those kids still have to attend school. So your point is null.
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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The only people that would be a problem for are non-citizens. Last I checked education is mandatory, so anyone born here should be able to read,write and speak english.
    That is an incredibly naieve statement. Simply because one goes to school does not guarantee one learns something.

    What evidence is there of this?
    Nearly half of America's adults are poor readers, or "functionally illiterate." They can't carry out simply tasks like balancing check books, reading drug labels or writing essays for a job.
    -National Adult Literacy Survery

    21 million Americans can't read at all, 45 million are marginally illiterate and one-fifth of high school graduates can't read their diplomas.
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    -Department of Justice

    More than 20 percent of adults read at or below a fifth-grade level - far below the level needed to earn a living wage.
    -National Institute for Literacy, Fast Facts on Literacy

    50 percent of American adults are unable to read an eighth grade level book.
    Reference
    -Jonathan Kozol, Illiterate America

    According to the 2003 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), 37 percent of fourth graders and 26 percent of eighth graders cannot read at the basic level; and on the 2002 NAEP 26 percent of twelfth graders cannot read at the basic level. That is, when reading grade appropriate text these students cannot extract the general meaning or make obvious connections between the text and their own experiences or make simple inferences from the text. In other words, they cannot understand what they have read.

    44 million adults in the U.S. can't read well enough to read a simple story to a child.
    -National Adult Literacy Survey (1992) NCED, U.S. Department of Education

    Why do millions of Americans struggle with reading and writing? - CSMonitor.com

    Those kids still have to attend school. So your point is null.
    As I have demonstrated, even those who DO attend school are generally not much better off.
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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    That is an incredibly naieve statement. Simply because one goes to school does not guarantee one learns something.
    It should guarantee that they can at least read, write, or speak English proficiently.

    Nearly half of America's adults are poor readers, or "functionally illiterate." They can't carry out simply tasks like balancing check books, reading drug labels or writing essays for a job.
    -National Adult Literacy Survery

    21 million Americans can't read at all, 45 million are marginally illiterate and one-fifth of high school graduates can't read their diplomas.
    Reference
    -Department of Justice

    More than 20 percent of adults read at or below a fifth-grade level - far below the level needed to earn a living wage.
    -National Institute for Literacy, Fast Facts on Literacy

    50 percent of American adults are unable to read an eighth grade level book.
    Reference
    -Jonathan Kozol, Illiterate America

    According to the 2003 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), 37 percent of fourth graders and 26 percent of eighth graders cannot read at the basic level; and on the 2002 NAEP 26 percent of twelfth graders cannot read at the basic level. That is, when reading grade appropriate text these students cannot extract the general meaning or make obvious connections between the text and their own experiences or make simple inferences from the text. In other words, they cannot understand what they have read.

    44 million adults in the U.S. can't read well enough to read a simple story to a child.
    -National Adult Literacy Survey (1992) NCED, U.S. Department of Education

    Why do millions of Americans struggle with reading and writing? - CSMonitor.com


    As I have demonstrated, even those who DO attend school are generally not much better off.
    So your reason for supporting multilingual ballots is illiteracy and crappy teachers? Seems to me that if they are illiterate or a dumb ass then a ballot in another language is not going to do them any good.

    I also have to wonder if they are taken into account whether or not those are citizens,immigrants or illegals who are illiterate and how many people they actually surveyed.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It should guarantee that they can at least read, write, or speak English proficiently.
    As I have CLEARLY demonstrated, that is not necessarily the case even with people who are born here.

    So your reason for supporting multilingual ballots is illiteracy and crappy teachers? Seems to me that if they are illiterate or a dumb ass then a ballot in another language is not going to do them any good.
    If they are illiterate in English or cant read it very well, a ballot in their native language will allow them to take part in the democratic process as is the right of a citizen.
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    Re: Should the government provide ballots in languages other than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You shouldn't be able to become a US citizen until you can read and write english. If you were born in America and cannot, you are too stupid to vote and should be DQ'd as a matter of law
    as long as "too stupid to vote" includes "too stupid to run for office".....
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