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Obama: What do you really believe?

Obama: What do you believe

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O_Guru said:
SO to the people that think the harris poll isnt good

let me get this straight?

its a bad poll because only volunteers participated is that the debate?

I hope not, I hope Im just misunderstanding LMAO
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Yes. When you are polling people who volunteer on the web, they don't fairly represent the whole of the population, hence the wording. The kind of people that will voluntarily take an online political survey are usually more polarized than the rest of the population. Since the questions in the poll were all pretty negative to Obama, those who are more indifferent to the questions (Republican or whatever) would be less likely to answer in the affirmative, but also less likely to participate in the first place.
 
Rightarrow said:
I love this part of the poll,

"...because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in the Harris Interactive panel, no estimates of theoretical sampling error can be calculated."
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has opposed to people that didnt agree to participate?

am I missing something
 
Rightarrow said:
Yes. When you are polling people who volunteer on the web, they don't fairly represent the whole of the population, hence the wording. The kind of people that will voluntarily take an online political survey are usually more polarized than the rest of the population. Since the questions in the poll were all pretty negative to Obama, those who are more indifferent to the questions (Republican or whatever) would be less likely to answer in the affirmative, but also less likely to participate in the first place.
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so you are saying since it was negative LESS reps would vote? I think more would vote, and I think more would participate being confidential

but also all that aside

how many polls out there arent "volunteer" LOL

Im just saying by this logic I guess that means just about ALL polls are worthless LMAO
 
O_Guru said:
so you are saying since it was negative LESS reps would vote? I think more would vote, and I think more would participate being confidential

but also all that aside

how many polls out there arent "volunteer" LOL

Im just saying by this logic I guess that means just about ALL polls are worthless LMAO
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If you would take a Statistics class you would understand why some polls are allowed to put +/- 3% and why polls like these have to use terminology stating that the margin of error is not calculable.
 
O_Guru said:
yeah its dumb to spam polls, pure insecurity

btw help a rookie out, you said you can see what people voted for? why cant i see who voted for what?
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You click the number next to the voting options. If the number isn't underlined (meaning it's not a link) that means the poll results are not open, or no one voted for that option. You'll see what I mean after checking out a few polls.

Also if say 6 people voted for one option but only 5 names show up... I'm pretty sure that would mean one guest voted as well and doesn't show up.
 
Rightarrow said:
If you would take a Statistics class you would understand why some polls are allowed to put +/- 3% and why polls like these have to use terminology stating that the margin of error is not calculable.
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LMAO
I have taken a statistics class nice try, I have 3 degrees all AS but 3 none the less. Business, and Electronic and Mechanical Engineering

what polls arent largely volunteer
sorry theres no logic to throw out the harris poll
could it be inaccurate to an extent? of course but to try and pretend the margin is a large one or has zero barring is a joke, not to mention since they did all groups. My guess is anybody that feels attacked by the poll or doesnt like it will cry foul and those like myself that arent effected, arent bothered by it at all will not
 
Jucon said:
You click the number next to the voting options. If the number isn't underlined (meaning it's not a link) that means the poll results are not open, or no one voted for that option. You'll see what I mean after checking out a few polls.

Also if say 6 people voted for one option but only 5 names show up... I'm pretty sure that would mean one guest voted as well and doesn't show up.
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Thanks for the help! :cool:
 
O_Guru said:
LMAO
I have taken a statistics class nice try, I have 3 degrees all AS but 3 none the less. Business, and Electronic and Mechanical Engineering

what polls arent largely volunteer
sorry theres no logic to throw out the harris poll
could it be inaccurate to an extent? of course but to try and pretend the margin is a large one or has zero barring is a joke, not to mention since they did all groups. My guess is anybody that feels attacked by the poll or doesnt like it will cry foul and those like myself that arent effected, arent bothered by it at all will not
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I very rarely trust the results of "national" polls.

Depending on the topic, the results can greatly depend on the culture and the education of the area. Everyone has their own opinions... so just because 60% out of even 10,000 people voted one way, that doesn't mean the rest of the population will follow that statistic.

O_Guru said:
Thanks for the help! :cool:
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Any time
 
Jucon said:
I very rarely trust the results of "national" polls.

Depending on the topic, the results can greatly depend on the culture and the education of the area. Everyone has their own opinions... so just because 60% out of even 10,000 people voted one way, that doesn't mean the rest of the population will follow that statistic.
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this is def. true to a point for instance if I poll 10k people who their favorite NBA team is an 8K votes come from NY and the Knicks are 76% the number one answer that poll could be junk

but in this case i dont see any reason to "discard" this poll, not saying you are doing that just speaking in general

Harris polls have been widley used for many things and the topic at hand doesnt leave me to believe it would be off that much.

either way though I was MOST curious with what people thought HERE after hearing the "Obama hates all white people" on talk radio
 
O_Guru said:
this is def. true to a point for instance if I poll 10k people who their favorite NBA team is an 8K votes come from NY and the Knicks are 76% the number one answer that poll could be junk

but in this case i dont see any reason to "discard" this poll, not saying you are doing that just speaking in general

Harris polls have been widley used for many things and the topic at hand doesnt leave me to believe it would be off that much.

either way though I was MOST curious with what people thought HERE after hearing the "Obama hates all white people" on talk radio
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By trusting the results of many polls you can unintentionally be misleading yourself to believe something that cannot be proven true.

When I see this poll all I think about is that many of the people polled have given into right wing propaganda. That still does not represent the rest of the country, let alone the rest of the Republican voting citizens. It no less worrying however. I'm not saying the poll results are right or wrong... I'm just saying I don't usually trust poll results.
 
Jucon said:
By trusting the results of many polls you can unintentionally be misleading yourself to believe something that cannot be proven true.
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only if i convince myself theres no margin of error

When I see this poll all I think about is that many of the people polled have given into right wing propaganda. That still does not represent the rest of the country, let alone the rest of the Republican voting citizens. It no less worrying however. I'm not saying the poll results are right or wrong... I'm just saying I don't usually trust poll results.
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well i agree with you there the % of people that agree with "some" of these questions def. gave in to propaganda and I personally would NEVER write off anybody simply because they have a D or R after their name but thats "me" many people arent like that so I get your point
 
O_Guru said:
really thats it? LMAO

what if a person believes the change is right? whos fundamentals or better yet whos VIEW of fundamentals

womens right
minority rights
minimum wage
medicare
Highway system

just some things that could be "argued" has fundamental changes

not a loaded question just trying to understand where YOU are coming from

what fundamentals are you worried that he wants to change
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Obama is a progressive, with a rabid progressive agenda. Some light reading pertaining to the American progressive movement may provide the answers you seek.
 
Barack Obama on the Issues
At this site you can see basically every opinion Obama holds and some of his voting record.

Personally I don't think he outright aims to destroy America, but his policies sure will devastate this country.
 
webrockk said:
Obama is a progressive, with a rabid progressive agenda. Some light reading pertaining to the American progressive movement may provide the answers you seek.
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ive done lots reading on the opinion of what people think progressiveness is or is not, im asking YOU what YOUR stance is, those are the answers I seek.


I want to know what bad progressiveness YOU find him guilty of
Want fundamentals does he want to change that you feel are dangerous
 
lets all thank MyOwnDrum for spamming the poll too lol
 
thenamesdave said:
Why do you believe that to be the case?
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I believe his massive spending is really hurting us and will hurt us farther down the road. I think his healthcare bill will was a bad idea as well. My biggest worry is with his massive spending though, he is spending more than any other president in history. I also think Obama is weakening ties to our allies around the world.
 
digsbe said:
Barack Obama on the Issues
At this site you can see basically every opinion Obama holds and some of his voting record.

Personally I don't think he outright aims to destroy America, but his policies sure will devastate this country.
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Thanks! ill check out the site to see how concrete it is.
How do YOU think his policies will "devastate" america?
 
O_Guru said:
Thanks! ill check out the site to see how concrete it is.
How do YOU think his policies will "devastate" america?
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You're welcome. The site has the issues for pretty much all candidates.

I already posted in my above post listing a few things I think will hurt the country. The only thing I semi agree with Obama on is education, other then that we disagree completely. My main concern is with his spending.
 
digsbe said:
I believe his massive spending is really hurting us and will hurt us farther down the road. I think his healthcare bill will was a bad idea as well. My biggest worry is with his massive spending though, he is spending more than any other president in history. I also think Obama is weakening ties to our allies around the world.
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Why? just the spending?
Just asking because I still dont know everything in it and even republicans (not saying you are or do) that didnt vote for the bill on avg agreed with 70+% there were just certain things they didnt like and some were proven to be fallacies because like i said alot of people including myself dont even know what all the bill does yet.

Some quick fallacies are it covers illegal, it itself covers abortion, its government run
 
digsbe said:
I believe his massive spending is really hurting us and will hurt us farther down the road. I think his healthcare bill will was a bad idea as well. My biggest worry is with his massive spending though, he is spending more than any other president in history. I also think Obama is weakening ties to our allies around the world.
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Thanks for your fast response. What are your thoughts on the bold part?
 
digsbe said:
You're welcome. The site has the issues for pretty much all candidates.

I already posted in my above post listing a few things I think will hurt the country. The only thing I semi agree with Obama on is education, other then that we disagree completely. My main concern is with his spending.
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thanks again :), sorry i saw that, just saw it late, i already replied
 
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spud_meister do you actually believe all that stuff like Obama hates all white people or you just spamming and trolling like MyOwnDrum
 
O_Guru said:
thanks again :), sorry i saw that, just say it late, i already replied
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It's all good, that happens to me sometimes too.
 
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