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  • He hates all white people

    42 36.21%
  • He is a muslim

    49 42.24%
  • He isnt a citizen

    38 32.76%
  • He wants the terrorist to win

    17 14.66%
  • He wants to take away your guns

    62 53.45%
  • He wants America to fail

    49 42.24%
  • He is the Anti-Christ

    10 8.62%
  • He is a socialist

    62 53.45%
  • none of the above

    36 31.03%
  • you disagree with the whole poll

    21 18.10%
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Thread: Obama: What do you really believe?

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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And in regards to your abortion clinic question...when was the last time after an Abortion Clinic Bombing did you have people going "We must think what policies our government had that caused such anger in this person to do such a thing. What things is our government doing that helps create this kind of terrorist and this kind of anger? We must realize its not just about religion but about them feeling our government is meddling in things they don't belong in"? Cause I heard that kind of statement routinely in the years following 9/11 and every seeming islamic terrorist attack since.
    Just going to talk to this bit, since we are going to go around in circles on the rest.

    We understand the forces at action in an abortion clinic bombing. We don't need to work on understanding it. Understanding the why's is a lot different from accepting those reasons. Understanding the mindset is also an important part of the policework process, and that is what I see the "war on terror"(I do so hate that phrase, but that is another topic), policework.
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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He hates all white people
    I do not believe he hates all white people. I do believe that he has extremely strong beliefs that as a whole the white race has gained more prosperity then is "fair" by being discriminatory to minorities and as such it is his job, and the governments, to bring "fairness" back and to return proper balance and order back to those in the minority. Do I believe he "hates all" white people? Absolutely not. That's insanity. I do however he does hold some racial grudges and chips on his shoulder that influence the ways in which he thinks.
    This is basically what I am thinking is going through his head... I'm not a minority and I still believe that more needs to be done for the minorities in this country. Especially in the schools. I couldn't imagine going to some of those low income area schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He wants the terrorist to win
    No, but again too nuanced. I believe he views terrorism far differently than how many on the opposite side see it. I think in large part he believes the terrorism is America's fault, much like rape would be a womans fault, because we "created" them and "angered" them through our actions. I think he believes diplomacy and changes in how he handles Israel and such will have more success and do more in regards to it than other things, which puts his stance at odds with what many Republicans view and makes it appear he's working counter to what needs to be done. I do not think he wants the terorrists to win, I just think he views the issue and the problem far differently than most Republicans and thus is going about it in a completely different manner.
    I'm sure U.S. supporting Israel is part of the terrorists hating America, but I also believe that another big part of their hatred comes from our soldiers invading their land and killing their people, innocent or otherwise. When our soldiers kill someone over there, their family, friends or people of like minds are not going to take it well. Would you? If America was invaded, I bet you would want to kill the killers of your child or father too. And then should you be considered a terrorist? This is why I feel it was appropriate to cut back the use of the word "terrorist".

    I have yet to disagree with Obama on anything concerning the Iraq and Afghan war.

    I am pleased that Obama is pushing for far less civilian killings. I feel Bush didn't give a **** about the civilians, both in Iraq and Afghanistan. And 9 years and we are clearing out and holding major strongholds NOW? And Cheney claimed Obama was dithering...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He wants to take away your guns
    I do believe he would like to take away a vast majority of peoples guns; indeed, he's voted to do just that with handguns while in Chicago. Other disdainful comments, like his "clinging to guns and bibles" comments doesn't help it. That said, I don't think he really CAN do it, realizes it'd be a difficult fight to do a lot of restrictions, and as such its more beneficial politically to mostly ignore the gun issue at the time. So while I think ultimately, if he was to be completely honest, he absolutely would love to get rid of guns, but it's too big of a problem to do politically so he won't bother.
    This is exactly how I feel. He might WANT to do something about guns, but it is very doubtful that he WILL. And there's no way in hell he would take people's guns away. If anything he would just push for more restrictions. I guess we'll have to wait to find out, but unless he gets elected a second term I doubt he will do anything.

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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    I dont give a flying **** if he is a Muslim or not. The only people who go ape **** of that are the people who wouldnt vote for the son of the bitch anyway. He is a fascist in regards to economic policy, a statist in his social policy and a neocon in his foreign policy.
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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    I dont give a flying **** if he is a Muslim or not. The only people who go ape **** of that are the people who wouldnt vote for the son of the bitch anyway. He is a fascist in regards to economic policy, a statist in his social policy and a neocon in his foreign policy.
    So he is kinda a political polyglot?
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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So he is kinda a political polyglot?
    In a sick sort of way, yes.
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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    The US has been a mixture of capitalism and socialism for a long time and we always seem to be inching closer to socialism. That process is accelerating during this Administration but we're still more capitalist than socialist. Therefore, it's wrong to say that this Administration's policies are socialist. However, Obama, like any other politician is a pragmatist. I don't believe that the policies we're seeing are all that close to what he really wants. I think he would turn this country into a socialist country if he could.

    I feel the same way about gun control. He would ban guns if he could, but that's just my opinion.

    I don't believe that he's a Christian or a Muslim. I believe that he's an atheist like myself.
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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We understand the forces at action in an abortion clinic bombing. We don't need to work on understanding it. Understanding the why's is a lot different from accepting those reasons. Understanding the mindset is also an important part of the policework process, and that is what I see the "war on terror"(I do so hate that phrase, but that is another topic), policework.
    Do people in general REALLY have a significantly better understanding for why, lets generalize, souther people would go to such a length as to bomb an abortion clinic than they do for why middle eastern people would try to blow up the WTC or a hotel filled with Americans?

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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do people in general REALLY have a significantly better understanding for why, lets generalize, souther people would go to such a length as to bomb an abortion clinic than they do for why middle eastern people would try to blow up the WTC or a hotel filled with Americans?
    I think so, yes.
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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Could be an interesting topic for some twin threads. "Why do middle eastern terrorists attack the United States and its people" and "Why do domestic terrorists target locations and people surrounding tied to abortion for attacks".

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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Could be an interesting topic for some twin threads. "Why do middle eastern terrorists attack the United States and its people"
    I'm sure you could check off most answers on the list. They certainly have many reasons to dislike America, both legitimate and illegitimate. No reason justifies the intentional killing of innocent people though... and this goes for all sides of this fight.

    The killing needs to stop. No one is going to say "uncle"... so clearly someone needs to reach out to the other side. I have a feeling America and it's allies will have to be the ones to do the reaching out. In my mind, so be it.

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