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  • He hates all white people

    42 36.21%
  • He is a muslim

    49 42.24%
  • He isnt a citizen

    38 32.76%
  • He wants the terrorist to win

    17 14.66%
  • He wants to take away your guns

    62 53.45%
  • He wants America to fail

    49 42.24%
  • He is the Anti-Christ

    10 8.62%
  • He is a socialist

    62 53.45%
  • none of the above

    36 31.03%
  • you disagree with the whole poll

    21 18.10%
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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    I certainly hope so.

    Still, just the fact that there are people who believe such nonsense bothers me, just like the fact that there are so many people who refuse to believe in evolution, for instance.

    The ability of people to believe in things to which there is absolutely no proof and plenty of proof to the contrary always astounds me.
    well i definitely agree but there idiots on both sides of the pond and in the middles, it just is what it is. Theres two people at my work that believe that obama hates all white people and I talk about with them and its hilarious because they can never give any good reasons they just say "thats how I feel" and I say why do you feel this way and they have nothing, they say "I can just tell" LMAO

    oh well, what you gonna do, its not like extremist on any issue can be swayed

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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Geez, my opinion of this board just dropped a huge chunk. I had no idea there were so many here who would believe such ridiculous tripe.
    Most of the votes in the poll where made by nonmembers. At least one person chose every option. Don't take the results to mean much.
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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    well i definitely agree but there idiots on both sides of the pond and in the middles, it just is what it is. Theres two people at my work that believe that obama hates all white people and I talk about with them and its hilarious because they can never give any good reasons they just say "thats how I feel" and I say why do you feel this way and they have nothing, they say "I can just tell" LMAO

    oh well, what you gonna do, its not like extremist on any issue can be swayed
    Agreed, and indeed there are some on the left as well.

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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    I wonder what people actually believe? How much mis-information is out there, how gullible are people?
    I think the problem with talk radio when it comes to both their most die hard supporters and their most vocal opposition is that they are taken too seriously and have their hyperbole taken at face value.

    Frankly, your poll is no different than what they do, just the other way around. It takes heavily nuanced issues and tries and shoves them into one liners that are absolutely definitive. What do I believe?

    He hates all white people
    I do not believe he hates all white people. I do believe that he has extremely strong beliefs that as a whole the white race has gained more prosperity then is "fair" by being discriminatory to minorities and as such it is his job, and the governments, to bring "fairness" back and to return proper balance and order back to those in the minority. Do I believe he "hates all" white people? Absolutely not. That's insanity. I do however he does hold some racial grudges and chips on his shoulder that influence the ways in which he thinks.

    He is a muslim
    No, I do not think he's a Muslim.

    He isnt a citizen
    Yes, I do think he is a citizen.

    He wants the terrorist to win
    No, but again too nuanced. I believe he views terrorism far differently than how many on the opposite side see it. I think in large part he believes the terrorism is America's fault, much like rape would be a womans fault, because we "created" them and "angered" them through our actions. I think he believes diplomacy and changes in how he handles Israel and such will have more success and do more in regards to it than other things, which puts his stance at odds with what many Republicans view and makes it appear he's working counter to what needs to be done. I do not think he wants the terorrists to win, I just think he views the issue and the problem far differently than most Republicans and thus is going about it in a completely different manner.

    He wants to take away your guns
    I do believe he would like to take away a vast majority of peoples guns; indeed, he's voted to do just that with handguns while in Chicago. Other disdainful comments, like his "clinging to guns and bibles" comments doesn't help it. That said, I don't think he really CAN do it, realizes it'd be a difficult fight to do a lot of restrictions, and as such its more beneficial politically to mostly ignore the gun issue at the time. So while I think ultimately, if he was to be completely honest, he absolutely would love to get rid of guns, but it's too big of a problem to do politically so he won't bother.

    He wants America to fail
    I do not believe that. However I do think he wants America to function and operate in a way that is contrary to how I feel and think it should.

    He is the Anti-Christ
    I think this is ridiculous

    He is a socialist
    No, he's not a socialist, he's a liberal democrat. I think he has some socialist leanings and that socialist philosophy plays a part in his overall poltiical ideology, but I do not believe he is a socialist per the definition. I think people too often use hyperbole, thinking a similarity to it here or there somehow makes the whole.

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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    What has he done that Bill Clinton would not have done, had he the same majorities in the House and Senate?
    Bill Clinton TALKED about doing all the destructive social policies but was smart enough to know that in the long run it was just hype...used to get reelected...and most of the stuff he signed passed by congress was actually designed to help the country. And he actually did a pretty decent job of balancing his ideology with his party's ideology and the 'right' things to do.

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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    He hates all white people
    Nah...he LOVED his white gay crack dealer...
    Seriously...Obama was more white than black until he needed black people to get elected. Sorta like OJ...

    He is a muslim
    I dont think he is muslim OR Christian. Frankly...I dont think he knows WHAT he is...nor do I think he cares. He is political. That is all that has ever driven him

    He isnt a citizen
    The birth certificate question? Dunno...his mom was American...his dad was Kenyan. He hasnt and wont produce a simple document...the same one we all had to produce when we applied for a federal job, college, etc...Not tryhing to be conspiratorial cause frankly...as long as no one cares, it is a non issue except to fringe groups. I will say that if the parties were reversed I have NO DOUBT the left would be clamoring for the birth certificate. No doubt in my mind.

    He wants the terrorist to win
    I dont think he wants the terrorists to win. I think this guy cant think beyond what do I have to say or do to get me reelected.

    He wants to take away your guns
    I actually believe this one. Not that he thinks it would make people easier to control but I think he is an old school liberal at heart.

    He wants America to fail
    He wants the idea of a capitalist America to be seen as undesirable without destroying it. He knows that it is easy top manipulate crippled and dependent pets...but he still needs about 49% of the country to actually produce to pay for his agenda. He wants a 'successsful' blend of socialism and capitalism.

    He is the Anti-Christ
    Silliness

    He is a socialist
    Define socialist. He definitely wants power...and he wants to be seen as a great leader that brought about this great ideological change. I think he truly believes someday history will see him as the great messiah that led liberals to everlasting power and allowed them to take care of all the little people.

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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He wants the terrorist to win
    No, but again too nuanced. I believe he views terrorism far differently than how many on the opposite side see it. I think in large part he believes the terrorism is America's fault, much like rape would be a womans fault, because we "created" them and "angered" them through our actions. I think he believes diplomacy and changes in how he handles Israel and such will have more success and do more in regards to it than other things, which puts his stance at odds with what many Republicans view and makes it appear he's working counter to what needs to be done. I do not think he wants the terorrists to win, I just think he views the issue and the problem far differently than most Republicans and thus is going about it in a completely different manner.
    I think his belief is actually more nuanced than this. I think his belief is that terrorists attacked America because of certain actions we took(supporting Israel for example). This does not make it our fault, but does see the reason the terrorist uses. It also does not stop it from being appropriate to stop the terrorists, which Obama seems to be making a real effort to do.
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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think his belief is actually more nuanced than this. I think his belief is that terrorists attacked America because of certain actions we took(supporting Israel for example). This does not make it our fault, but does see the reason the terrorist uses. It also does not stop it from being appropriate to stop the terrorists, which Obama seems to be making a real effort to do.
    I guess my view of it is that in many of the cases that are cited as to why the terrorists hate us, I think he actually agrees with them in regards to their dislike. Such as the Israel situation. I do not think he agrees with how they express their anger, but I believe he thinks its vaguely justified because he also believes it to have been bad policy. Which is why I think it is more of a feeling in his mind that its "our fault" they hate us, though not that its justified for them to use terror attacks because of it.

    It does not stop him from taking what he thinks is the appropriate action to stop terrorists, but again this goes back to the notion of what the hyperbole of "he wants the terorrists to win" is rooted in. That statement is rooted in the notion that the way in which he's trying to fight terrorism is believed by some to be ineffective and futile, actually making us more succeptable, which leads to the hyperbole that he "must want the terrorists to win".

    To put it another way, it is like watching a basketball team that plays almost no defense (Think the Sun's of a few years back). Someone could say sarcastically "It looks like that coach wants the other team to win" based on the amount he's having his guys play defense. In reality, that someone probably knows the coach doesn't REALLY want the other team to win, and that coach just hasn't a different philosophy on what to do to win, but that person is expressing their distaste for the style in a hyperbolic way.

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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I guess my view of it is that in many of the cases that are cited as to why the terrorists hate us, I think he actually agrees with them in regards to their dislike. Such as the Israel situation. I do not think he agrees with how they express their anger, but I believe he thinks its vaguely justified because he also believes it to have been bad policy. Which is why I think it is more of a feeling in his mind that its "our fault" they hate us, though not that its justified for them to use terror attacks because of it.

    It does not stop him from taking what he thinks is the appropriate action to stop terrorists, but again this goes back to the notion of what the hyperbole of "he wants the terorrists to win" is rooted in. That statement is rooted in the notion that the way in which he's trying to fight terrorism is believed by some to be ineffective and futile, actually making us more succeptable, which leads to the hyperbole that he "must want the terrorists to win".

    To put it another way, it is like watching a basketball team that plays almost no defense (Think the Sun's of a few years back). Someone could say sarcastically "It looks like that coach wants the other team to win" based on the amount he's having his guys play defense. In reality, that someone probably knows the coach doesn't REALLY want the other team to win, and that coach just hasn't a different philosophy on what to do to win, but that person is expressing their distaste for the style in a hyperbolic way.
    It is possible, even probable, that you can think a policy is wrong, the same policy that terrorists think is wrong, and still not see the terrorist attacks as being "our fault".

    I am not an expert on our policy with Israel, or the middle east situation, and yet I don't blame us for the terrorist attacks. Or to make it a more clear example: People opposed to abortion have bombed abortion clinics(clearly terrorist actions). I think most people who oppose abortion do not think it is the fault of the abortion clinics they where bombed, but the fault of those with extreme views.

    Terrorism involves acts of violence. While some may agree with their point of view, they do not agree with the terrorists, or want them to win. They want the terrorists squashed, and totally separately, the policy changed.
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    Re: Obama: What do you really believe?

    There is a difference I think between wanting someone to win, or wanting bad things to happen and believing that the person that had bad things happen is partially at fault.

    To use an oft repeated phrase from the election, I don't think the notion that he may believe that the United States "chickens, have came home to roost" as his reverend so eloquently put it.

    Does my belief that his belief is that the United States government and policy created these terrorists and thus is partially at fault, if not at an equal then a near equal level as say their radical following of their religion, mean that I believe he wants the terrorist to win? Nope. Does it mean that I think he believes terrorists aren't ultimately responsable for their own actions? Nope. Does it mean I think he believes the U.S. "deserved" it or "had it coming"? Not really.

    What I do think it means is he puts a fair amount of the responsability for the situation occuring, even if you don't want to say "fault", on the shoulders of the U.S.'s foreign policy and due to that belief he's focusing more on that than others would possibly want or think is necessary. The latter is true especially when you consider that it is also causing him to focus less on other areas they feel requires more.

    For instance, I think both sides blame U.S. policy for the terror attacks (talking stereotypically here). The difference is, in general, the left is more likely to blame foreign policy that helped "create" terorrists while the right is more likely to blame domestic policy that kept us from "fighting" the terrorists. Israel Vs Gorelick Wall. Afghanistan in the 80's vs terror attacks treated as criminal action. Etc.

    And in regards to your abortion clinic question...when was the last time after an Abortion Clinic Bombing did you have people going "We must think what policies our government had that caused such anger in this person to do such a thing. What things is our government doing that helps create this kind of terrorist and this kind of anger? We must realize its not just about religion but about them feeling our government is meddling in things they don't belong in"? Cause I heard that kind of statement routinely in the years following 9/11 and every seeming islamic terrorist attack since.

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