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    Re: National Open Primary

    What do you call Scott Ashjian in Nevada? He was intentionally planted to take votes away from the Republican candidate.

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    Re: National Open Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    What do you call Scott Ashjian in Nevada? He was intentionally planted to take votes away from the Republican candidate.
    Did he open the ballot box and remove them?
    Nope, he wanted to persuade people to vote for him.

    Guess what, Republicans and Democrats do not own the electoral system.
    I know it's a surprise, given all the ignorant people that continue to vote for them.

    Besides Republicans were a third party.
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    Re: National Open Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Did he open the ballot box and remove them?
    Nope, he wanted to persuade people to vote for him.

    Guess what, Republicans and Democrats do not own the electoral system.
    I know it's a surprise, given all the ignorant people that continue to vote for them.

    Besides Republicans were a third party.
    This is such a fallacy. The Whig party didn't even have a candidate when the Republicans came on the scene. They were a new party, but never a third party. BTW, I am for third party candidates when they have a chance of winning. A perfect example was Doug Hoffman in NY 23rd. I don't care what party the candidate belongs to, I just want him to have a chance of winning. Voting for a candidate that has no chance of winning just so that you "feel good" is such waste and usually results in the country not only not going exactly how you wanted, but going in the complete wrong direction because your vote and others like it made the candidate closer to your political views lose.

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    Re: National Open Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    This is such a fallacy. The Whig party didn't even have a candidate when the Republicans came on the scene. They were a new party, but never a third party. BTW, I am for third party candidates when they have a chance of winning. A perfect example was Doug Hoffman in NY 23rd. I don't care what party the candidate belongs to, I just want him to have a chance of winning. Voting for a candidate that has no chance of winning just so that you "feel good" is such waste and usually results in the country not only not going exactly how you wanted, but going in the complete wrong direction because your vote and others like it made the candidate closer to your political views lose.
    It is the truth.
    If Democrats didn't run a candidate next year would the Green Party still be a third party, absolutely.

    I don't vote and at the same time I don't want the strangle hold of D's/R's to continue to exist.
    You do know that they control the election system enough to exclude others as it is.
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    Re: National Open Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It is the truth.
    If Democrats didn't run a candidate next year would the Green Party still be a third party, absolutely.

    I don't vote and at the same time I don't want the strangle hold of D's/R's to continue to exist.
    You do know that they control the election system enough to exclude others as it is.
    Ok. How about we look at the facts. The Whig party was gone in 1856. The Republican Party was founded in 1854. This would not be comparable to the Green Party replacing the Democrats, since the Green party has been around since at least 1991 and have never had a chance of winning in all the time they've been around. The Republicans were never a party that didn't have a chance of winning. They have been on the forefront since they were founded.

    The Republicans and the Democrats don't control the election system. The voters vote for them because they know that they are the best chance for a winner. People generally don't vote for a loser. Only small crazy portions of the population do that. Luckily, that portion is smaller here than in the UK, but it is still too big in my opinion.

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    Re: National Open Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    Ok. How about we look at the facts. The Whig party was gone in 1856. The Republican Party was founded in 1854. This would not be comparable to the Green Party replacing the Democrats, since the Green party has been around since at least 1991 and have never had a chance of winning in all the time they've been around. The Republicans were never a party that didn't have a chance of winning. They have been on the forefront since they were founded.
    Doesn't matter, before Lincoln was elected they were not a mainstream party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    The Republicans and the Democrats don't control the election system. The voters vote for them because they know that they are the best chance for a winner. People generally don't vote for a loser. Only small crazy portions of the population do that. Luckily, that portion is smaller here than in the UK, but it is still too big in my opinion.
    No they pretty much control the whole thing.
    They write the laws for ballot access and they dump their primary costs on the taxpayer.

    No other party can do that.

    If you think the 2 major parties are good, I've got news for you.
    Take a look at the national debt for the past 30-40 years.
    Under both parties, it has grown crazily high added with the restriction on personal rights.
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    Re: National Open Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Doesn't matter, before Lincoln was elected they were not a mainstream party.
    Six years before Lincoln was elected, these guys were barely in the backwoods. Nobody had even heard what a Republican was. Their first presidential candidate got 2nd place in 1856. How is that not a mainstream party? Do you ever face the truth or back down, or are you so proud and stupid that you don't see truth even if it punches you in the face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No they pretty much control the whole thing.
    They write the laws for ballot access and they dump their primary costs on the taxpayer.

    No other party can do that.

    If you think the 2 major parties are good, I've got news for you.
    Take a look at the national debt for the past 30-40 years.
    Under both parties, it has grown crazily high added with the restriction on personal rights.
    Could you provide me some laws that have been passed restricting ballot access to non-Republican-or-Democrats?

    Can you provide some sources on instances where candidates have used taxes for their private primaries?

    If you think that the 2 major parties are bad, tell me why we are so much better off now then we were 30-40 years ago? Is our debt a problem? Absolutely. Will the Republicans do something about it when they take back the House and Senate this year? Without a doubt.

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    Re: National Open Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    Six years before Lincoln was elected, these guys were barely in the backwoods. Nobody had even heard what a Republican was. Their first presidential candidate got 2nd place in 1856. How is that not a mainstream party? Do you ever face the truth or back down, or are you so proud and stupid that you don't see truth even if it punches you in the face?
    They were by definition a third party, there were not a major party.
    It doesn't matter how long ago or how recent they were formed.

    No personal attacks are necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    Could you provide me some laws that have been passed restricting ballot access to non-Republican-or-Democrats?
    McCain-Feingold was a big one.
    All the additional red tape added to describe were individual funds come from for each candidate required a lawyer to dig through.
    That is something many third party candidates can't/couldn't afford to deal with.

    Not to mention other areas where access is closed off, like the presidential debates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    Can you provide some sources on instances where candidates have used taxes for their private primaries?
    When you vote in the primaries, you are using tax payer funded election voting stations, staffed by tax payer funded officials.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    If you think that the 2 major parties are bad, tell me why we are so much better off now then we were 30-40 years ago? Is our debt a problem? Absolutely. Will the Republicans do something about it when they take back the House and Senate this year? Without a doubt.
    Better off is a matter of perspective.

    My future has been diminished because of the want for posterity of my elder generations.
    They have paid for their laziness with a future debt obligation that I am required to pay.
    Many government officials have already indicated that we will have to enter a time of austerity in order to big our finances in order.

    That means less economic growth combined with higher tax rates.
    Which is especially disturbing because my generation gets it's start during a deep recession that depresses our lifetime earnings.

    I hope Republicans do a lot more than increase taxes, I hope they cut Medicare and SS but I'm not holding my breath.
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    Re: National Open Primary

    This is just an opening to allow scamming of the elections. In states where there are open primaries opposing parties are constantly pushing the less disagreeable candidate with any of their excess voting power. The Repubs are flooded with RhINO's for just this reason. What we need are parties who require that candidates speak the truth about their positions, act in accordance with what they have represented and the party should campaign against them if they stray.
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    Re: National Open Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I'm in favor of the idea. It would lessen the stranglehold that the corrupt and entrenched Democratic and Republican parties have on politics in this nation.
    What it would do instead though is make it so that the minority party in the state would probably never get on the final ballot.

    In other words, in a heavy blue state, you'd end up with two democrats on the final ballot every time, and in a red state, with republicans.

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