View Poll Results: What Requirements should we Impose?

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  • Minimum IQ Level

    24 37.50%
  • Pass Basic Literacy test

    5 7.81%
  • Be able to pay Poll Tax

    1 1.56%
  • Be able to pass test about a candidates position

    4 6.25%
  • No Requirements should be made

    30 46.88%
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Thread: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Just an observation:

    The cherry-picking videos of the far-right, seem rather short-- meaning out of three hours of interviews looking for the embarrassing comments, they had very little to go on...

    Maybe some day Ziegler will have the balls to release his raw footage and prove me wrong.

    on the other hand, these babies go on and on and on....

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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    With those questions you will lose the Laker Girl vote. And a number of professional athletes won't be able to vote.
    So? Thats even more incentive for people to learn about their government.
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    In a perfect world, citizens would have to pass a test on the basics of the Constitution and a quick test on the positions of the candidates in order to vote. I think that would weed out a bunch of folks who don't have a clue right off the bat.

    In a perfect world, all voters would check off an affidavit that nobody paid them to vote before they received their ballot. That would weed out at least some of the pure graft in the system.

    In a perfect world, people who wanted to vote would have to figure out where to register, go there to register, show proof of identity and address in order to register, and show up on election day to vote as they used to. That would weed out those who don't give a damn and remove a lot more graft in the system, and ensure more of an electorate that does have a clue.

    In a perfect world, only those directly affected by taxes, zoning laws, etc. would be allowed to vote on such things. That would ensure no taxation without representation.

    But, it isn't a perfect world. . . .
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    In a perfect world, citizens would have to pass a test on the basics of the Constitution and a quick test on the positions of the candidates in order to vote. I think that would weed out a bunch of folks who don't have a clue right off the bat.

    In a perfect world, all voters would check off an affidavit that nobody paid them to vote before they received their ballot. That would weed out at least some of the pure graft in the system.

    In a perfect world, people who wanted to vote would have to figure out where to register, go there to register, show proof of identity and address in order to register, and show up on election day to vote as they used to. That would weed out those who don't give a damn and remove a lot more graft in the system, and ensure more of an electorate that does have a clue.

    In a perfect world, only those directly affected by taxes, zoning laws, etc. would be allowed to vote on such things. That would ensure no taxation without representation.

    But, it isn't a perfect world. . . .
    If it was a perfect world, we wouldn't have ever needed a government in the first place.

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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If it was a perfect world, we wouldn't have ever needed a government in the first place.
    Yes we would because of the differences in perspective and point of view. There would need to be a central authority where the people would agree and/or have their grievances arbitrated and settled. A perfect world maximizes freedom and there can be no freedom under anarchy.

    I can't see a perfect world being a place where eveybody was exactly the same.
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I saw the thread on "Can we have too much Democracy" and it got me thinking, do we give the right to vote to too many people?

    Right now, as far as I know, the only requirement to vote is to be a citizen, and registered as a voter, which means you've gone a relatively simple process.

    I think the problem with today's democracy is that too many people can vote, and too many of those people do not know the actual issues, but only know of the mud-slinging contest between the people running for the office.

    EDIT: I forgot to include civil service as a prerequisite for voting.
    Voter eligibility should be based on contribution measures and not just a free for all.

    If you don't add something measurable to the government coffers, you shouldn't have a say on how it's spent.
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes we would because of the differences in perspective and point of view. There would need to be a central authority where the people would agree and/or have their grievances arbitrated and settled. A perfect world maximizes freedom and there can be no freedom under anarchy.

    I can't see a perfect world being a place where eveybody was exactly the same.
    I can't say agree. In a perfect world, we would all know and do the right thing, all the time. The primary purpose of government is to settle disputes that arise between people, either through law, physical force, or regulation. We would not need those things.

    However, as it is now, all people are at least partially evil which means we need a central authority to help mediate and minimize the worse parts of our own nature.

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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    I don't think we have the legal grounds to impose an IQ test on voters or test them on the candidates' platform, but it wouldn't be too bad of an idea in my personal opinion.
    An IQ test challenges the legitimacy of elections, if word spreads around that specialists disagree on the relative merits of such a test to begin with as well as its tendency to make others believe that they are racially and socio-economically biased.

    The ability to ensure one's voters are "informed" is difficult, and furthermore, prone to exaggerated bias. "Informed" could mean that one watches the evening news every night, but nothing more. "Informed" could mean that one comes to a set of pragmatic beliefs about each issue. "Informed" could mean that the individual in question sided with an ideological mindset that compliments their sense of reality. Meanwhile, the "uninformed" tend to be those that the other's merely disagree with.

    For instance, because I may be one of the few neoconservatives here, while there is a disproportionate amount of libertarians on board, one of us may insist that the other is not "informed". This is all fine and a normal part of discourse, but at the end of the day, I would not want to enforce such ideas.
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I can't say agree. In a perfect world, we would all know and do the right thing, all the time. The primary purpose of government is to settle disputes that arise between people, either through law, physical force, or regulation. We would not need those things.

    However, as it is now, all people are at least partially evil which means we need a central authority to help mediate and minimize the worse parts of our own nature.
    I allow for what is 'right' for one person not being 'right' for another; hence government for a free people will always be necessary. Two people can be in strong disagreement and neither be evil or even necessarily wrong. So in your perfect world, everybody would have to be exactly alike, think exactly alike, want, desire, hope for, and appreciate exactly the same things. For me, that would not be a perfect world.

    Even on this voting thing, for me voting should be seen as a solemn privilege and never to be taken casually or lightly. Therefore we should make it an intentional act to seek out how and where to register, how and where and when to vote, and should know why and what we are voting for. It should not be 'easy' and it should not be easily corrupted. It should be the responsibility of the voter to not be manipulated by anybody. That would be the situation in my 'perfect world'.

    Perhaps in your perfect world, you want voting to be routine, effortless, without boundaries and it doesn't matter whether folks know what they are voting on or why. It is only important that they vote.
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I allow for what is 'right' for one person not being 'right' for another; hence government for a free people will always be necessary. Two people can be in strong disagreement and neither be evil or even necessarily wrong. So in your perfect world, everybody would have to be exactly alike, think exactly alike, want, desire, hope for, and appreciate exactly the same things. For me, that would not be a perfect world.

    Even on this voting thing, for me voting should be seen as a solemn privilege and never to be taken casually or lightly. Therefore we should make it an intentional act to seek out how and where to register, how and where and when to vote, and should know why and what we are voting for. It should not be 'easy' and it should not be easily corrupted. It should be the responsibility of the voter to not be manipulated by anybody. That would be the situation in my 'perfect world'.

    Perhaps in your perfect world, you want voting to be routine, effortless, without boundaries and it doesn't matter whether folks know what they are voting on or why. It is only important that they vote.
    Well. I think it all depends on how we define perfection. To me, a perfect world would be one without evil, intentional or unintentional. For that to exists, people would have to be different than what they currently are. Realistically, we will never get there, but I am ok with that too.

    But yes, I consider the elimination of evil to be a indicator of perfection than freedom since freedom is often a relative term that is based on the boundaries of one's perception, imagination, circumstances, and will anyway. If the perception, will, and imagination were different for these more evolved people than they would not be any less free. In fact, they likely would be more free since they would be and have what they desire.

    However, for things beyond right and wrong, I can see plenty of room for different preferences, however, the end result would be the resolution of these conflicts in a peaceful manner.
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