View Poll Results: What Requirements should we Impose?

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  • Minimum IQ Level

    24 37.50%
  • Pass Basic Literacy test

    5 7.81%
  • Be able to pay Poll Tax

    1 1.56%
  • Be able to pass test about a candidates position

    4 6.25%
  • No Requirements should be made

    30 46.88%
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Thread: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, because I know I am smart enough. Some people aren't though.

    Some people may not be aware of how little they actually know about politics, and might choose not to vote after they found out. Giving them the option would certainly be less heavy-handed than banning them from voting entirely, and perhaps more likely to stand up to constitutional scrutiny as well.
    Stupidity doesn't stop people from posting said stupidity online. I doubt it would stop people from voting.

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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom View Post
    Stupidity doesn't stop people from posting said stupidity online.
    I disagree. There will always be some stupid people who run their mouths online about things they know nothing about, but most people don't. This forum is a good example. While there are plenty of morons here, I would guess that there are a lot fewer of them than there are in the general population. People who don't know anything about politics typically don't post on message boards about politics (unless they're trying to learn more).

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom
    I doubt it would stop people from voting.
    I don't think it would need to stop all stupid people in order to be effective. Even if only 20% of the stupidest 20% of the electorate chose not to vote after they saw the results of the test, that would still be a considerable improvement IMO. 4% of votes, which were entirely worthless, simply wouldn't be cast at all.
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    It's fine now.
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I disagree. There will always be some stupid people who run their mouths online about things they know nothing about, but most people don't. This forum is a good example. While there are plenty of morons here, I would guess that there are a lot fewer of them than there are in the general population. People who don't know anything about politics typically don't post on message boards about politics (unless they're trying to learn more).
    Some current events are proof that one doesn't necessarily need to know a great deal about politics in order to actively go out and protest. Look at some of the "tea-party activists". "Keep Government out of my Medi-care"? "We've got an illegal in the WH"? I think you're attempting to create a big "if" where an atmosphere for that "if" doesn't exist. As we're currently seeing, passion is stronger than reason... and if people feel compelled to oppose or favor, a test will do little to stop that.

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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I would support a simple, nonpartisan civics test if it could stand up to constitutional scrutiny...but that's questionable.

    Maybe a better solution would be to make people take the test, tell them what their score is, then let them decide if they still want to vote. Maybe it would guilt-trip some of the dummies into not voting. Maybe part of the problem is that people overestimate their own knowledge of the issues, and a test would at least show them where they stand compared to their peers.
    Your idea would have an opposite effect. Telling people that they are too stupid to vote will just piss people off and encourage them to vote anyways.
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom View Post
    Some current events are proof that one doesn't necessarily need to know a great deal about politics in order to actively go out and protest. Look at some of the "tea-party activists". "Keep Government out of my Medi-care"? "We've got an illegal in the WH"? I think you're attempting to create a big "if" where an atmosphere for that "if" doesn't exist. As we're currently seeing, passion is stronger than reason... and if people feel compelled to oppose or favor, a test will do little to stop that.
    It won't stop the stupid and passionate people from voting, but it might stop some of the stupid and apathetic people from voting. Some people could care less about politics, but they vote anyway for whatever reason. A test that told them that they were ill-informed might be sufficient to get some of them not to vote.
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    I think the only requirement should be what it currently is. 18 years of age and a legal citizen. Even the less educated and politically uninformed have a right to their vote.

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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Your idea would have an opposite effect. Telling people that they are too stupid to vote will just piss people off and encourage them to vote anyways.
    If they're taking the test then they're already at the polling place, which means they intended to vote when they walked in. So either the test will do nothing or it will reduce the number of worthless votes...but it definitely won't increase them. I doubt anyone who wasn't planning on voting anyway is going to waste their time driving to the polling place, taking the test, and then voting, just to spite some faceless bureaucrat.
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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It won't stop the stupid and passionate people from voting, but it might stop some of the stupid and apathetic people from voting.
    If they're apathetic, they wouldn't vote anyway. Even if they did, that's too insignificant a number to actually matter in terms of what this threads OP hopes to accomplish.

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    Re: Do we need a requirement to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If they're taking the test then they're already at the polling place, which means they obviously intended to vote when they walk in.
    So why would poor test results discourage them from voting if they went through the trouble of going to their local polling place?

    So either the test will do nothing or it will reduce the number of worthless votes...but it definitely won't increase them.
    I believe it will not do nothing, as you say they are already at the polling place intending to vote. Saying hey your stupid is not going to guilt anyone, its just going to piss them off.


    I doubt anyone who wasn't planning on voting anyway is going to waste their time going to the polls, taking the test, and then voting just to spite some faceless bureaucrat.
    If might if someone is stupid enough to air commercials telling them that those with low scores shouldn't vote.
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