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    Can there ever be too much democracy

    In any country?

    I believe mostly not, but sometimes the people can be wrong or not know what they are getting into. What are your guys' opinions?

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    Re: Can there ever be too much democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kate View Post
    In any country?

    I believe mostly not, but sometimes the people can be wrong or not know what they are getting into. What are your guys' opinions?
    There can absolutely be too much democracy. It's called populism, demagogery and mob rule. The Founders feared it as much as they feared autarchy, and wrote the Constitution accordingly: they gave us a measured dose of democracy leavened with a variety of safeguards and diluted representation.

    We've arguably gone too deep into democracy already, with the popular election of Senators, rather than their appointment by State legislatures.

    In a pure democracy, 51% could vote that it was okay to rape, pillage, plunder and kill the 49% minority. Not good.

    A little democracy is a fine thing. Too much can be like too much food, too much booze, or too much medicine.

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    Re: Can there ever be too much democracy

    At one time, I didn't think there could be "too much democracy", but the longer I live, the more apparent it is to me that most people cannot handle it with responsibility, and feel obliged to abuse it for their own self-interests. As much as I am a freedom-minded individual, I honestly don't think many people have the required ethical standards for a really free society to work well. I hate to say that, but it's what I am seeing.
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    Re: Can there ever be too much democracy

    Don't know too much about Switzerland's direct democracy failings but that seems to put nearly every political decision in the hands of the Swiss public.

    We don't read of Switzerland as a land of instability and chaos.

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    Re: Can there ever be too much democracy

    It depends on the society. In an ideal society, there could not be too much democracy, but in the kind of societies we live in, I am glad we do not have direct democracy. The idea of us all standing by our tellies pressing the red button for each law is terrifying.

    Terrifying mainly because most people are not educated enough on everything. I certainly am not.

    Terrifying also because unfortunately most of us are too selfish.

    The UK would have the death penalty if we had a referendum on that. Whenever I remember that, I am not so upset we have a very limited democracy. One day every five years or so.
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    Re: Can there ever be too much democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Don't know too much about Switzerland's direct democracy failings but that seems to put nearly every political decision in the hands of the Swiss public.

    We don't read of Switzerland as a land of instability and chaos.
    Switzerland is relatively small. We are talking about less than eight million people total. Less than the population of New York city.

    On a small scale it seems works just fine. You can say the same about Communism. The more people you add, the more costly it becomes. Eventually you reach the point were it no longer works for a large portion of the populace.
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    Re: Can there ever be too much democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kate View Post
    In any country?

    I believe mostly not, but sometimes the people can be wrong or not know what they are getting into. What are your guys' opinions?
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    Re: Can there ever be too much democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Don't know too much about Switzerland's direct democracy failings but that seems to put nearly every political decision in the hands of the Swiss public.

    We don't read of Switzerland as a land of instability and chaos.
    A lil history lesson about Switzerland, they are a relatively new democracy.
    They haven't had time to royally screw things up yet.

    "Women were granted the right to vote in the first Swiss cantons in 1959, at the federal level in 1971[22][32] and, after resistance, in the last canton Appenzell Innerrhoden in 1990."

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland]Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Can there ever be too much democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Switzerland is relatively small. We are talking about less than eight million people total. Less than the population of New York city.

    On a small scale it seems works just fine. You can say the same about Communism. The more people you add, the more costly it becomes. Eventually you reach the point were it no longer works for a large portion of the populace.
    You could add the same argument about any political "ism" - communism / capitalism etc etc but the fundamental question reverts back (and I'm not American so I'm also not thinking that the post is solely concerned with the US and its' Republican version of public representation or wishing to propose a change to the US constitution) to whether any people - be it 500 or 500 million can have too much democracy. My answer would be "depends" - as in depends on how it is implemented.

    If all 500 million had to agree (or a majority of those 500 million) a policy to ensure it works then no, there is such a thing as too much democracy but if it were organised along similar lines to the cantons in Switzerland and the vote affected regions - it could work.

    Ancient Greece also exhibited direct democracy but that too was broken down into decisions made in the different Greek Kingdoms. (And before Mr Guerilla says the Greeks never allowed women or slaves to vote....) and the argument could have been made that direct democracy worked for the 1million or so population of Greece but could never apply to a population of 8 million or so..

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A lil history lesson about Switzerland, they are a relatively new democracy.
    They haven't had time to royally screw things up yet.

    "Women were granted the right to vote in the first Swiss cantons in 1959, at the federal level in 1971[22][32] and, after resistance, in the last canton Appenzell Innerrhoden in 1990."
    But did Wikipedia tell you when the Swiss first started direct democracy? That might help with your history lesson. Other cultures have denied female suffrage too - the Swiss were just late in recognising equality and female rights.

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    Re: Can there ever be too much democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    But did Wikipedia tell you when the Swiss first started direct democracy? That might help with your history lesson. Other cultures have denied female suffrage too - the Swiss were just late in recognising equality and female rights.
    Meh, I don't believe in democracy on a macro level.
    Way to much disinformation and ignorance for it to work correctly.

    I'm going with Blackdog on this, that it works for small countries and areas with small populations but after that it really starts to break down.
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