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    Re: Your Favorite President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Ooooooooooooooooooookay.....
    Reading about History is good for you.

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    Re: Your Favorite President?

    Grover Cleveland.

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    Re: Your Favorite President?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    James Madison.
    He's mine as well.

    Although Jefferson was credited earlier for the bill of rights and constitution earlier by someone, Madison was more influential during this period as Jefferson was in France performing his diplomatic duties there. Jefferson and Madison tended to agree with each other on many issues, though.

    Madison also opposed Hamiltonianism (along with Jefferson) and was the the author of the federalist papers I agree with most strongly. In fact, if we had stayed with Madison's vision of the constitution, instead of veering towards Hamilton's, my own anti-federalist ideologies would have never become a footnote in the annals of U.S. history.

    Inaction on the parts of his predecessors was a major factor in the war of 1812 (which tarnishes his legacy), but overall I must say his pre-presidential contributions as well as some of his presidential actions make him an easy #1 for me.

    Jefferson and Polk probably round out my top three.

    Personality wise, though, it's Teddy Roosevelt all the way.
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    Re: Your Favorite President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Madison also opposed Hamiltonianism (along with Jefferson) and was the the author of the federalist papers I agree with most strongly. In fact, if we had stayed with Madison's vision of the constitution, instead of veering towards Hamilton's, my own anti-federalist ideologies would have never become a footnote in the annals of U.S. history.
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    During and after the war, Madison reversed many of his positions. By 1815, he supported the creation of the second National Bank, a strong military, and a high tariff to protect the new factories opened during the war.
    Why I didn't pick Madison.

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    Re: Your Favorite President?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Why I didn't pick Madison.
    His last act before leaving office was vetoing a spending bill for internal improvements:

    “Having considered the bill…I am constrained by the insuperable difficulty I feel in reconciling this bill with the Constitution of the United States…The legislative powers vested in Congress are specified...in the…Constitution, and it does not appear that the power proposed to be exercised by the bill is among the enumerated powers…”
    His stance on the General Welfare Clause:

    “Such a view of the Constitution would have the effect of giving to Congress a general power of legislation instead of the defined and limited one hitherto understood to belong to them, the terms ‘common defense and general welfare’ embracing every object and act within the purview of a legislative trust.”
    The Tax Foundation - President James Madison and Pork-Barrel Spending

    The way the Wiki statements you quoted is worded is misleading. He never became a Federalist.
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    Re: Your Favorite President?

    He never became a federalist, but I don't look at petty classifications like that. His actions speak louder. A classical liberal never would have supported a central bank or protectionism.

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    Re: Your Favorite President?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    He never became a federalist, but I don't look at petty classifications like that. His actions speak louder. A classical liberal never would have supported a central bank or protectionism.
    Things were a lot different in those times. George Washington was an isolationist according to his farewell address, which is something unimaginable today.

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    Re: Your Favorite President?

    ^^I could imagine it. It would get us out of a lot of trouble.

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    Re: Your Favorite President?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    He never became a federalist, but I don't look at petty classifications like that. His actions speak louder. A classical liberal never would have supported a central bank or protectionism.
    Having to go to war, and getting his ass handed to him, clearly changed his mind on some things.
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    Re: Your Favorite President?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Since you insist, here is an easy read about him. You might also find his writings in the federalist papers interesting, also.

    James Madison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Why are you assuming I don't know anything about him? I simply asked you why he was your favorite. Can you not explain in your own words why that is?


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