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    Re: Should Supreme Court justices have had experience being a judge at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Kagan's an experienced softball player

    See what is happening to the wall street journal since Murdoch took over?

    Softball question - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
    What do you have against softball... or are you just a sexist and think it should be an all male endeavor?

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    Re: Should Supreme Court justices have had experience being a judge at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    What do you have against softball... or are you just a sexist and think it should be an all male endeavor?

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    Re: Should Supreme Court justices have had experience being a judge at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You said that history has shown that justices without bench experience have turned out to be good justices, but you still don't agree with appointing people without bench experience. My question is why? What exactly is the benefit of bench experience, as it relates to a SCOTUS nominee?
    I don't think I said that. Can you point it out to me?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should Supreme Court justices have had experience being a judge at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Oh, but it is. You didn't say anything more brilliant than he did about the matter. So, when I am weighing who is more convincing, I'd have to say him. Hands down. Because of who he is. And, who you're not.
    Still irrelevant. Please ask Judge Scalia to post a reply to this thread then. Another reason why it's irrelevant... you being convinced or not by any opinion is of no interest to me. I'm simply trying to convey the basis of my opinion, not an attempt to convince you my opinion is correct or not. I can't fix stupid even for Scalia.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Again? Scalia says the exact opposite.
    Still irrelevant.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You've made no reasonable or substantiated argument to support your position to begin with. Just stated your opinion, really.
    Glad you finally read and understood. Mission accomplished.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I addressed this elsewhere.
    Since we are "here" and not "elsewhere" you should have addressed it "here".

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Are you infering that Scalia is stating by implication that he wants SCOTUS Justices to employ emotion in their evaluation of the application of the Constitution? Seriously?
    Scalia's opinion is irrelevant. Perhaps you'll soon understand my view on that. I rarely infer... I'm point blank stating that the White House is injecting emotional evaluation and mediation --- and NOT legal experience into the Constitution. Yes. Affirmative. You can take that as an "inference".

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Is it possible that this conservative justice is just indicating that he thinks there needs to be experience from diverse backgrounds?
    Dunno. Ask him and let me know when he reply's back. Such diversity doesn't belong on the SCOTUS bench.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Maybe because that brings wisdom to a conclave?
    Then Obama should appoint some janitor from Ada Oklahoma who uses common sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I know, I know, I should go ask him. Aren't YOU interested? YOU are a conservative. HE is the leader of the conservative judicial movement.
    He the leader of the conservative judicial movement? Where can I see their platform? Are there meetings and yearly dues? I don't recognize nor accept your assertion of some judicial conservative movement obviously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Aren't you curious, a little bit, about the basis of his opinion on this matter? A little?
    Nope. I like my SCOTUS all law, all experience, all Constitution. If I want some emotional sob session I'll turn on Cable talk shows.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should Supreme Court justices have had experience being a judge at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    having argued a bunch of case before two different circuits (right below the supremes) I don't think judicial experience is all that necessary. I also think a president has the right to appoint whom he chooses as long as they meet basic qualfications. And Kagan does. However, she is no where near a top choice IMHO. She was not an experienced appellate litigator (as was Roberts or THurgood Marshall). She was not a distinguished judge (Alito, etc). She was not a highly respected constitutional scholar whose works are regularly cited by judges and other scholars alike (such as Akhil Reed Amar, Pamela Karlan, Steven Calabresi, William Van Alstyne). She was a good Dean at harvard who hired diverse faculty and improved student morale. However, as a scholar she has not been (once again) a Pam Karlan, an Akhil Reed Amar or another similar superstar in academia.
    Agreed. But you know, that describes most of the people on the Supreme Court. Rarely do we get the best legal minds in there.

    Just like all of government. The people who would be best running things either don't get elected or never run. Our system of government is based on who can win elections and gain approval of the Senate and not on who is the most qualified.

    Hey, you know, if Republicans wanted more of a trail on Kagan, maybe they should have not voted her down when Clinton nominated her to the federal bench.

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    Re: Should Supreme Court justices have had experience being a judge at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Again, if true, I will begin to speculate that this is Obama engaging in a rather dangerous strategy: Wanting so much to appoint younger people that he is risking the credibility of the SCOTUS. Something I cannot support.
    The average age is 53 for appointments. Kagan is 50.

    Roberts was only 50 when he became Chief Justice.

    Here are the other justices and their age at appointment:

    Thomas: 43
    Scalia: 50
    Kennedy: 52
    Alito: 55
    Sotomayer: 55
    Breyer: 56
    Ginsburg: 60

    If Obama is using a "dangerous strategy" then so has every other recent President.

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    Re: Should Supreme Court justices have had experience being a judge at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Why? A huge portion of the court's docket has absolutely nothing to do with constitutional law.
    What? huh?

    Since when?

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    Re: Should Supreme Court justices have had experience being a judge at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't think I said that. Can you point it out to me?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes, history has shown others with no bench experience have fulfilled the position of justice well - I still don't agree with it, regardless of political affiliation, which I might add, should not be part of Constitutional argument. Right vs. Left has no business being applied to the Constitution. Those issues should be left to amendments passed by Congress and reviewed by the SCOTUS to make sure the laws / amendments are Constitutional.

    It was a mistaken then, it's a mistake now.
    My question is how does that conclusion ("It was a mistake then, it's a mistake now") follow from the premise ("History has shown others with no bench experience have fulfilled the position of justice well")? Why was/is it a mistake if those justices are still able to do a good job?
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    Re: Should Supreme Court justices have had experience being a judge at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Agreed. But you know, that describes most of the people on the Supreme Court. Rarely do we get the best legal minds in there.

    Just like all of government. The people who would be best running things either don't get elected or never run. Our system of government is based on who can win elections and gain approval of the Senate and not on who is the most qualified.

    Hey, you know, if Republicans wanted more of a trail on Kagan, maybe they should have not voted her down when Clinton nominated her to the federal bench.
    Wasn't aware she was ever voted on back then. Thought the nomination just sort of died on the vine.....



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    Re: Should Supreme Court justices have had experience being a judge at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    My question is how does that conclusion ("It was a mistake then, it's a mistake now") follow from the premise ("History has shown others with no bench experience have fulfilled the position of justice well")? Why was/is it a mistake if those justices are still able to do a good job?
    Ah - I see it now. Notice that I still said I didn't agree with it. The reason I can reconcile the two is I reject the premise that because it worked in the past means it will automatically work in the future. Granted, history is the best predictor, I'd suggest the lack of such a historical move in the past 40 years was for a reason.

    It was a mistaken then and now because these are different people. I don't know if she will do a good job - she may or may not. I could put a janitor in that position and he/she may do well, or not. Does that mean I'd want to put a janitor as a SCOTUS justice? Of course not.

    And I think without reviewing each and every prior justice who had not experience in depth, it would probably be a mistake to simply agree similar appointments were done well. I actually don't know that for a fact and that was my mistake for agreeing. I think I did that to dismiss it. My apologies.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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