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    Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    I think this is less political and more philosophical. However, the answer has profound political implications I think.

    Now there are obvious extremes that everyone would agree with. There are some very obvious forms of slavery, such as forced labor or sex. Also, there are obvious examples of the free man, such as the 1800s frontier farmer who is beholden to no-one.

    What I am more curious about is people's thoughts about the more borderline cases. Examples could possibly include taxation for things a person does not like, oppressive social expectations (a woman belongs in the home!), forced life choices due to constraints, etc. Are these things an example of a type slavery or not? Why?

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    For some things yes. Working for someone else is a form of slavery. This is not a bad form of slavery, but some can't make a life for themselfs without the job. So this is a form of slavery.

    So it is in some cases subjective, and based solely on opinion or perspective.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    It's hard to say for sure. There's slavery which is/was forced labor, based on the ability of those controlling slaves to physically and psychologically control slaves.

    I don't consider societal pressure to be slavery, because nobody is actually forced or coerced to behave according to social expectations. The natural state of man seems to be a desire for freedom, but in any social construct, most people are conditioned to think they must conform.
    If a woman marries a man who wants her to stay home and rear their children, is she a slave? She may think of herself as a slave, but she desires the security of his willingness to take care of her over the uncertainty of doing what she really desires and accepting the responsibility for her decisions, so if she is a slave, she is a willing one.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Slavery is owning people as property for the purposes of getting work out of them. Period.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Slavery is owning people as property for the purposes of getting work out of them. Period.
    I agree. Misusing the term weakens it. I do not support hyperbolic misuse of terminology for the purpose of inflaming an emotional response to some political issue. Other terms that are frequently misused include hate speech, racism, and terrorism.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Slavery is owning people as property for the purposes of getting work out of them. Period.
    That is just one form of slavery. Any state of bondage or subjugation is slavery.

    For instance; some see forced military service as slavery. People can be slaves to drugs etc.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    If you wake up to the sound of an alarm clock, rather than when you choose to wake up---You are a slave. face it.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    It's an interesting question to me.

    Am I a slave to my job? Maybe in the way that it helps me pay my bills in order to sustain the lifestyle I desire. Am I really a slave to my job? No. I can go get a job elsewhere, or I can go into the wilderness and work my ass off to feed and shelter myself. It's all a trade-off.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think this is less political and more philosophical. However, the answer has profound political implications I think.

    Now there are obvious extremes that everyone would agree with. There are some very obvious forms of slavery, such as forced labor or sex. Also, there are obvious examples of the free man, such as the 1800s frontier farmer who is beholden to no-one.

    What I am more curious about is people's thoughts about the more borderline cases. Examples could possibly include taxation for things a person does not like, oppressive social expectations (a woman belongs in the home!), forced life choices due to constraints, etc. Are these things an example of a type slavery or not? Why?
    Any form of imposing authority on another is oppression at the least. Slavery is when one benefits from the labor of another in inequity. Capitalism is slavery.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is just one form of slavery. Any state of bondage or subjugation is slavery.

    For instance; some see forced military service as slavery. People can be slaves to drugs etc.
    In both cases they are using literary license to speak metaphorically about the relationship one has to the source of bondage. People can be slaves to drugs, but that does not make a drug user a slave. Ditto conscription. In neither case are you the property of another. In the case of conscription, it is your duty as a citizen.

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