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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    My bad.

    I was under the impression that conscription was voluntary self-admission, nto a draft.

    In that case, conscription would be slavery. Volunteering is not.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think this is less political and more philosophical. However, the answer has profound political implications I think.

    Now there are obvious extremes that everyone would agree with. There are some very obvious forms of slavery, such as forced labor or sex. Also, there are obvious examples of the free man, such as the 1800s frontier farmer who is beholden to no-one.

    What I am more curious about is people's thoughts about the more borderline cases. Examples could possibly include taxation for things a person does not like, oppressive social expectations (a woman belongs in the home!), forced life choices due to constraints, etc. Are these things an example of a type slavery or not? Why?
    In it's most simplistic form slavery is, being forced to work for the benefit of another.

    If there is no force, there is no slavery.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    My bad.

    I was under the impression that conscription was voluntary self-admission, nto a draft.

    In that case, conscription would be slavery. Volunteering is not.
    Absolutely not. Conscription is coercion but there is no concept of property. Slavery requires human beings being property.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Absolutely not. Conscription is coercion but there is no concept of property. Slavery requires human beings being property.
    If you are have no choice in the matter, you are essentially property.
    It's implicit.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you are have no choice in the matter, you are essentially property.
    It's implicit.
    No. You do not have a market value. You are not bought and sold.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    You're fortunate to live in a time and a place where you can't tell the difference between honest labor and slavery. For the majority of human history, you would have learned the difference at the end of a whip.
    My lineage goes back to Roman Times. they held the whip.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    No. You do not have a market value. You are not bought and sold.
    You don't have to be bought and sold, if there is only one owner.
    If you can't make a choice of whether or not you want to do something, you are enslaved to that person or entity.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    I thank God daily for giving me the Courage to live FREE, and by no mans leave.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You don't have to be bought and sold, if there is only one owner.
    If you can't make a choice of whether or not you want to do something, you are enslaved to that person or entity.
    My only problem with that definition is that it would mean any law, including things we all agree on like murder, is slavery.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    My only problem with that definition is that it would mean any law, including things we all agree on like murder, is slavery.
    Murderers eliminate the choice of the pre-murder victim, so it is an anti slavery law.
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