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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Indigenous West African people were kidnapped, shackled, and forced to work upon threat of death. They had no choice in the matter. Nobody is in the Armed Forces (draft is over with) because they were not given a choice. Warren Sapp wasn't a slave, neither was Prince, no matter what they said.
    So, you are saying that you think the threat of death over the threat of other punishments, such as jail or being assaulted is an important factor?

    Isn't the threat of jail, assault, and death all an example of coercion? It certainly looks that way to me. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if that coercion is a form of ownership, even if it is temporary or limited in scope.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Slaves are human property. If you can be bought and sold and registered as someone's property then you are a slave. Paying taxes and having people in authority over you is not slavery. Now, I do think slavery is a matter of perspective as well. If someone sells themselves into a slave contract to pay off debts is he a "slave?" Is the definition of slavery dependent on if it is your will or another's will forcing you into it? Honestly I don't know, but I would say that slavery is a matter of perspective.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    If the threat of death is pertinent to you, don't sign the piece of paper.

    Anyone who thinks that signing up for the military doesn't carry obvious chances, albeit slim, of dying in the line of fire should probably get removed from the national gene pool anyway.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Conscription is not slavery. Slavery ultimately boils down to a lack of choice at any level.
    Where is the choice in "conscription?"

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    Indigenous West African people were kidnapped, shackled, and forced to work upon threat of death. They had no choice in the matter.
    Talk to the men & women in Turkey or Israel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Nobody is in the Armed Forces (draft is over with) because they were not given a choice.
    Who said anything about our all volunteer army?

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    Warren Sapp wasn't a slave, neither was Prince, no matter what they said.
    What?

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    So no, slavery is not a "matter of perspective". It's a case of whether or not they had any control in the matter.
    Yes it is.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If the threat of death is pertinent to you, don't sign the piece of paper.

    Anyone who thinks that signing up for the military doesn't carry obvious chances, albeit slim, of dying in the line of fire should probably get removed from the national gene pool anyway.
    We are not talking about volunteering for service. We are talking about conscription or drafting of UNWILLING participants into any military org.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Where is the choice in "conscription?"
    You can choose to go to Leavenworth.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You can choose to go to Leavenworth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    We are not talking about volunteering for service. We are talking about conscription or drafting of UNWILLING participants into any military org.
    Draft = no choice. Draft = slavery.

    Conscription does not include a draft. Conscripts are willing soldiers.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Draft = no choice. Draft = slavery.

    Conscription does not include a draft. Conscripts are willing soldiers.
    Conscription, also known as the draft or national service, is the compulsory enrolment of people and the term typically refers to their enlistment in a country's military.[1] It is known by various names, for example, the most recent conscription program in the United States was known colloquially as "the draft". Conscription dates back to antiquity and continues to the present day. It was used by the Royal Navy between 1664 and 1814 but was called impressment, or "the press".[2]

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Draft = no choice. Draft = slavery.

    Conscription does not include a draft. Conscripts are willing soldiers.
    Draft = conscription.

    Conscription -

    1.compulsory enrollment of persons for military or naval service; draft.

    2.a compulsory contribution of money to a government during a time of war.


    We agree, but you are making a judgment based on incorrect semantics.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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