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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Any form of imposing authority on another is oppression at the least. Slavery is when one benefits from the labor of another in inequity. Capitalism is slavery.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    In both cases they are using literary license to speak metaphorically about the relationship one has to the source of bondage. People can be slaves to drugs, but that does not make a drug user a slave. Ditto conscription. In neither case are you the property of another. In the case of conscription, it is your duty as a citizen.
    If you have no choice, how is it duty?

    The dictionary disagree's...

    1.the condition of a slave; bondage.
    2.the keeping of slaves as a practice or institution.
    3.a state of subjection like that of a slave: He was kept in slavery by drugs.
    4.severe toil; drudgery.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    If you wake up to the sound of an alarm clock, rather than when you choose to wake up---You are a slave. face it.
    So, individuals don't exercise choice about when/where/how often they work? I certainly do. If this job stops being satisfying, I'll leave. As it is now, a person has to wake up sometime, and I do work I enjoy and that has value to me.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, individuals don't exercise choice about when/where/how often they work? I certainly do. If this job stops being satisfying, I'll leave. As it is now, a person has to wake up sometime, and I do work I enjoy and that has value to me.
    I agree. In some cases though, people have very few options due to circumstance, location etc.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Slavery is owning people as property for the purposes of getting work out of them. Period.
    Well, there are other things you can coerce out of people if you're allowed to own them, and I'd classify those as slavery as well. But I would agree with you that the essential criterion is that human beings are treated as property, and that calling anything else "slavery" is not only misuse of the term, but an abuse of the English language.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    If someone can tell you when you can have lunch, rather than eating whenever you feel like it---you are a slave.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    If someone can tell you when you can have lunch, rather than eating whenever you feel like it---you are a slave.
    You're fortunate to live in a time and a place where you can't tell the difference between honest labor and slavery. For the majority of human history, you would have learned the difference at the end of a whip.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Well, there are other things you can coerce out of people if you're allowed to own them, and I'd classify those as slavery as well. But I would agree with you that the essential criterion is that human beings are treated as property, and that calling anything else "slavery" is not only misuse of the term, but an abuse of the English language.
    I pretty much agree with this statement. I think that ownership is the essential factor. However, I have seen many people swear up and down that paying taxes for things they do not like is slavery due to the fact that the government has legal authority and lots of guns.

    I personally think that they are wrong and are misusing the word, but I am curious about their perspective on the issue. Do they legitimately believe their position or are they hyping the rhetoric for effect?

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Slavery will NEVER be defined by people not suffering from it. There is simply no way to relate to it. I can empathize...even bet that it sucks really really bad...but all the analogies (draft, drug addiction, etc) fall short when another human being physical controls your very existence. I think in free countries the only people that have a real feel for what a life of slavery might be like are people who have been raped.

    Perspective? Sure...of course it is.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    For instance; some see forced military service as slavery. People can be slaves to drugs etc.
    Conscription is not slavery. Slavery ultimately boils down to a lack of choice at any level.

    Indigenous West African people were kidnapped, shackled, and forced to work upon threat of death. They had no choice in the matter. Nobody is in the Armed Forces (draft is over with) because they were not given a choice. Warren Sapp wasn't a slave, neither was Prince, no matter what they said.

    So no, slavery is not a "matter of perspective". It's a case of whether or not they had any control in the matter.

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