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Thread: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Social or moral slavery isn't slavery. It's people either not being strong enough to resist temptation or other people not taking the necessary steps at a particular point in their lives to put themselves in a better position to care for themselves. If I had to chose what constitutes "slaves" today, I'd have to say those who are forced to perform sexual acts against their will or forced into labor. But even with these two examples, I'd group them more inline w/people taking advantage of other people who are weaker than they are. IMO, NONE are "slaves" in the sense of treating people as property and forcing them into servatude against their will. That's slavery!
    See post #143

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    You seem to have a false definition of "slavery", and it's useless to boot: "one benefits from the labor of another in inequity" describes every human socioeconomic system that has ever been practiced on a large scale. This kind of ideological abuse of the English language distorts the meanings of words beyond all meaningful use and should not be tolerated.
    Please explain how the bold text is meaningful to my definition. The fact that you had to insert the qualifier "on a large scale" exposes the error in your rebuttal.

    My definition is not an ideological abuse.


    slav·er·y
       /ˈsleɪvəri, ˈsleɪvri/ Show Spelled[sley-vuh-ree, sleyv-ree] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.
    the condition of a slave; bondage.
    2.
    the keeping of slaves as a practice or institution.
    3.
    a state of subjection like that of a slave: He was kept in slavery by drugs.
    4.
    severe toil; drudgery.
    What is being in "a state of subjection"?

    sub·jec·tion
       /səbˈdʒɛkʃən/ Show Spelled[suhb-jek-shuhn] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.
    the act of subjecting.
    2.
    the state or fact of being subjected.
    sub·ject (sŭb'jĭkt)
    adj.

    1. Being in a position or in circumstances that place one under the power or authority of another or others: subject to the law.
    2. Prone; disposed: a child who is subject to colds.
    3. Likely to incur or receive; exposed: a directive subject to misinterpretation.
    4. Contingent or dependent: a vacation subject to changing weather.

    n.

    1. One who is under the rule of another or others, especially one who owes allegiance to a government or ruler.

    1. To submit for consideration.
    2. To submit to the authority of.
    3. To expose to something: patients subjected to infection.
    4. To cause to experience: subjected to extreme weather.
    5. To subjugate; subdue.

    slav·er·y (slā'və-rē, slāv'rē)
    n. pl. slav·er·ies

    1. The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.
    2.
    1. The practice of owning slaves.
    2. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
    3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
    4. A condition of hard work and subjection: wage slavery.
    What is wage slavery?

    Wage slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Wage slavery refers to a situation where a person's livelihood depends on wages, especially in a total and immediate way.[1][2] The term's analogy between slavery and wage labor may refer only to an "[un]equal bargaining situation between labor and capital,"[3] particularly where workers are paid comparatively low wages (e.g. sweatshops). Or it may draw similarities between owning and employing a person, which equates the term with a lack of workers' self-management.[4][5][6] This covers a wider range of employment choices bound by the pressures of a hierarchical social environment e.g. working for a wage not only under threat of starvation or poverty, but also of social stigma or status diminution.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    that is capitalism, any time someone makes a profit off anothers labour, that is slavery, by your definition, say i decide to build a house, i pay a bunch of blokes to build it for me, and i pay them in total only half the value of the house, does that then make me a slaver?
    Not if you paid a fair wage for the labor, you gained a house and the workers were fairly compensated. If, at the completion of work, the house is worth more than you spent then someone didn't get paid their worth. This has nothing to do with the value raising later.

    Pierre-Joseph Proudhon's "labor theory of value" holds that when labor or its product is sold, it ought to receive in exchange, an equal amount of labor or a product that required the same amount of labor to produce.

    Mutualists believe that a natural economic consequence of a truly laissez-faire economy, would be that income to individuals would be proportional to the amount of labor they exert.

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