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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    I thank God daily for giving me the Courage to live FREE, and by no mans leave.
    You live in a country with a government which imposes it's authority on you. You are not living "free".

    See the definition Anarchism. [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism]Anarchism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    My only problem with that definition is that it would mean any law, including things we all agree on like murder, is slavery.
    That's oppression not slavery.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    So...

    Perhaps the answer to the poll question is "Yes"?

    Because it is apparent that there are differing perspectives as to what slavery is.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is just one form of slavery. Any state of bondage or subjugation is slavery.

    For instance; some see forced military service as slavery. People can be slaves to drugs etc.
    Social or moral slavery isn't slavery. It's people either not being strong enough to resist temptation or other people not taking the necessary steps at a particular point in their lives to put themselves in a better position to care for themselves. If I had to chose what constitutes "slaves" today, I'd have to say those who are forced to perform sexual acts against their will or forced into labor. But even with these two examples, I'd group them more inline w/people taking advantage of other people who are weaker than they are. IMO, NONE are "slaves" in the sense of treating people as property and forcing them into servatude against their will. That's slavery!
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Conscription may be compulsory labor, but it is not slavery. Conscripts are not, as has been asserted, owned by the government. They are compensated for their labor and free to own property. The terms and duration of their service are defined by law, they may not be sold or traded, and they are entitled to strict legal protection concerning their treatment.

    If they can not be beaten, sold, or killed by the government, then they are not owned by the government and are thus not slaves of the government. Mandatory military service is no more slavery than mandatory elementary education is.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    You live in a country with a government which imposes it's authority on you. You are not living "free".
    In that case, there has never been a free man in all of human history, with the possible exception of a handful of hermits and absolute despots. Even kings are subject to the authority and the laws of their own governments, and defy them at their peril.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    That's oppression not slavery.
    I know, i was playing devil's advocate.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Conscription may be compulsory labor, but it is not slavery. Conscripts are not, as has been asserted, owned by the government. They are compensated for their labor and free to own property. The terms and duration of their service are defined by law, they may not be sold or traded, and they are entitled to strict legal protection concerning their treatment.

    If they can not be beaten, sold, or killed by the government, then they are not owned by the government and are thus not slaves of the government. Mandatory military service is no more slavery than mandatory elementary education is.
    You seem to have the false impression that a condition of slavery is ownership. Again, Slavery is when one benefits from the labor of another in inequity.

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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    You seem to have the false impression that a condition of slavery is ownership. Again, Slavery is when one benefits from the labor of another in inequity.
    You seem to have a false definition of "slavery", and it's useless to boot: "one benefits from the labor of another in inequity" describes every human socioeconomic system that has ever been practiced on a large scale. This kind of ideological abuse of the English language distorts the meanings of words beyond all meaningful use and should not be tolerated.
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    Re: Is slavery a matter of perspective?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    You seem to have the false impression that a condition of slavery is ownership. Again, Slavery is when one benefits from the labor of another in inequity.
    that is capitalism, any time someone makes a profit off anothers labour, that is slavery, by your definition, say i decide to build a house, i pay a bunch of blokes to build it for me, and i pay them in total only half the value of the house, does that then make me a slaver?
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