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Overall, was feminism bad for America?

Overall, was feminism bad for America?

  • Yes, it was bad for America

    Votes: 12 17.9%

  • No, it was good for America

    Votes: 39 58.2%

  • A little bad and a little good. Overall it was neutral

    Votes: 3 4.5%

  • A little bad and a little good. It changed a lot but not one way or the other.

    Votes: 9 13.4%

  • Other...

    Votes: 5 7.5%
  • Total voters
    67
1069 said:
That said, you're male, and so that's a little like a white person claiming that the best way to deal with the issue of slavery and Jim Crow laws is just to take a comical view of it, and that blacks really ought to quit being such goddamned buzzkills and develop a sense of humor already.

Or like a gentile joking about the holocaust and being unable to understand why Jews have to be so danged serious about everything all the frickin' time. Etc, etc.

We need to understand that these are still sensitive issues to many people, especially older people who actually lived through these dark times.
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Oh...and wait...I dont mean to get all spun up here...but thats pretty much BULL****. As a 'male' I have worked 2 and 3 jobs to provide for my family and change things for my family my whole life. I had to pay for school without the special compensations and opportunites. I had to endure appeasement acts in the military watching incompetent womena nd minorities get promoted in the name of social justice. Want to see appeasement acts in operation? Look at every soldier of the year banquet. Does it fix the disparity? No...but it allows people to say...look at us...we arent racist or sexist biased. Meanwhile no real change occurs at senior and management levels. The mid to lower income white male didnt create the problem...we just have deal with both the continuance of the problem and the socital politically correct attempts to correct the problem.

I wasnt born into what anyone might call an intact family. Ive had to deal with my **** the same as any and everyone else. I grew up in the south...Ive seen both sides...believe me...and try fitting in when you are mixed race and lower income growing up in the south of the 60's and 70's.

Sorry...Im REALLY fine and very comfortable with what I have done with my life. Im just a little pissed that when they were handing out those magical mythical silver spoons to all white (or mostly white) males that came with apparently a fast track to education and financial success that somehow I must have been out sick that day...
 
1069 said:
But I doubt you can be empathetic enough to know how someone who had leprosy 40 years ago, has since been cured, but still bears hidden scars, feels upon hearing leprosy jokes and being told to go buy a sense of humor.
Even I'm not empathetic enough to know that.
Sometimes it's better to play it safe.
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See my next post...

Maybe...JUST maybe...those people need to stop...take a few deep breaths...and actually assess their situation. SOMETIMES life sucks. SOMETIMES we make it worse for ourselves. SOMETIMES we feel sorry for ourselves and follow people and ideals that make it worse for ourselves.
 
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VanceMack said:
Oh...and wait...I dont mean to get all spun up here...but thats pretty much BULL****. As a 'male' I have worked 2 and 3 jobs to provide for my family and change things for my family my whole life. I had to pay for school without the special compensations and opportunites. I had to endure appeasement acts in the military watching incompetent womena nd minorities get promoted in the name of social justice. Want to see appeasement acts in operation? Look at every soldier of the year banquet. Does it fix the disparity? No...but it allows people to say...look at us...we arent racist or sexist biased. Meanwhile no real change occurs at senior and management levels. The mid to lower income white male didnt create the problem...we just have deal with both the continuance of the problem and the socital politically correct attempts to correct the problem.

I wasnt born into what anyone might call an intact family. Ive had to deal with my **** the same as any and everyone else. I grew up in the south...Ive seen both sides...believe me...and try fitting in when you are mixed race and lower income growing up in the south of the 60's and 70's.

Sorry...Im REALLY fine and very comfortable with what I have done with my life. Im just a little pissed that when they were handing out those magical mythical silver spoons to all white (or mostly white) males that came with apparently a fast track to education and financial success that somehow I must have been out sick that day...
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In other words, you're sexist and damn proud of it.
You feel justified in and entitled to your sexism.
That's fine.
Let's not beat around the bush, though, shall we?
Let's call it what it is.

:)
 
1069 said:
In other words, you're sexist and damn proud of it.
You feel justified in and entitled to your sexism.
That's fine.
Let's not beat around the bush, though, shall we?
Let's call it what it is.

:)
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THATS what you got out of that?

Good lord...how sad...you MIGHT want to get help...

Name one thing that is sexist.
 
VanceMack said:
THATS what you got out of that?

Good lord...how sad...you MIGHT want to get help...
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White males who claim to be socially oppressed and make statements such as "I had to endure appeasement acts in the military watching incompetent womena nd minorities get promoted in the name of social justice" are sexist, and their opinions are to be summarily dismissed. While your words might have value to someone, they do not merit further consideration or response from me.
The end.
 
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1069 said:
In other words, you're sexist and damn proud of it.
You feel justified in and entitled to your sexism.
That's fine.
Let's not beat around the bush, though, shall we?
Let's call it what it is.

:)
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I have to tell you...YOUR baggage and assumptions are comical. You dont know **** about me. And Im frankly really not invested in 'splainin my past to you for several reasons. Its just comical that you think Im sexist. WAY ****ing comical.
 
1069 said:
White males who claim to be socially oppressed and make statements such as "I had to endure appeasement acts in the military watching incompetent womena nd minorities get promoted in the name of social justice" are sexist, and to be summarily dismissed. While your words might have value to someone, they do not merit further consideration or response from me.
The end.
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Agree.

Also to just comment on whoever made this thread, really? Would you question if the civil rights movement was good for America? Of course feminism was good for America, equal rights are always a good thing.
 
1069 said:
White males who claim to be socially oppressed and make statements such as "I had to endure appeasement acts in the military watching incompetent womena nd minorities get promoted in the name of social justice" are sexist, and to be summarily dismissed. While your words might have value to someone, they do not merit further consideration or response from me.
The end.
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You DID get the part where I said Im not whining or complaining...but that sometimes idiots cant see oppression beyond the end of the tip of their nose...right?

No...I shouldnt think anyone that is so deeply wrapped up in her own **** might be able to see merit in other peoples perspectives. You might want to grab a straw...a LONG one.
 
1069 said:
White males who claim to be socially oppressed and make statements such as "I had to endure appeasement acts in the military watching incompetent womena nd minorities get promoted in the name of social justice" are sexist, and their opinions are to be summarily dismissed. While your words might have value to someone, they do not merit further consideration or response from me.
The end.
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You think incompetent people should be promoted on the basis of their gender?

The only sexist person here is you...
 
1984 said:
You think incompetent people should be promoted on the basis of their gender?

The only sexist person here is you...
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That is a circular reasoning fallacy.
A white male claims to be socially oppressed because, he claims, less qualified blacks and females are being promoted over him simply by virtue of being black and female.
I tell him that his attitude and belief system is, in my opinion, sexist, and merits no further response from me, although it might well be valuable to some people (for instance, you).

You come by and claim that I just stated that even though they're inferior, blacks and females should be promoted over (apparently inherently superior, in your opinion) white males, because they're black and female, and that because I believe this, I'm sexist.

You're not really smart enough to effectively do what you're trying to do here.
You shouldn't waste your time.
Spin is an art form, better left to your intellectual superiors.
 
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1069 said:
That is a circular reasoning fallacy.
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No, it's not. You think promoting people based upon merit alone is sexist; you think a person's gender ought to help determine whether or not they are promoted; that makes you a sexist.

A white male claims to be socially oppressed because, he claims, less qualified blacks and females are being promoted over him simply by virtue of being black and female.
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It happens. Since you're justifying it, you're a sexist.

I tell him that his attitude and belief system is, in my opinion, sexist, and merits no further response from me, although it might well be valuable to some people (for instance, you).

You come by and claim that I just stated that even though they're inferior, blacks and females should be promoted over (apparently inherently superior, in your opinion) white males, because they're black and female, and that because I believe this, I'm sexist.

You're not really smart enough to effectively do what you're trying to do here.
You shouldn't waste your time.
Spin is an art form, better left to your intellectual superiors.
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I know what was said and by whom. That's why I've accurately labeled you a sexist.
 
1069 said:
That is a circular reasoning fallacy.
A white male claims to be socially oppressed because, he claims, less qualified blacks and females are being promoted over him simply by virtue of being black and female.
I tell him that his attitude and belief system is, in my opinion, sexist, and merits no further response from me, although it might well be valuable to some people (for instance, you).

You come by and claim that I just stated that even though they're inferior, blacks and females should be promoted over (apparently inherently superior, in your opinion) white males, because they're black and female, and that because I believe this, I'm sexist.

You're not really smart enough to effectively do what you're trying to do here.
You shouldn't waste your time.
Spin is an art form, better left to your intellectual superiors.
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Oh...I dont know. He readily identified a pathetic bull**** poaition and nailed you on it. Sounds spot on.

You actaully accused me of sexism...for WHAT exactly? What about anything I have said is sexist? Nah...he called you for what you are. Stings a little bit...but he got it right.
 
VanceMack said:
Oh...I dont know. He readily identified a pathetic bull**** poaition and nailed you on it. Sounds spot on.

You actaully accused me of sexism...for WHAT exactly? What about anything I have said is sexist? Nah...he called you for what you are. Stings a little bit...but he got it right.
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You insensitive white male oppressor. Don't you know that you were born with a silver spoon in your ass and that everything you have was the product of systematic racism and oppression?

If you don't support liberal agendas, then you're just a damned sexist, racist homophobe... : D
 
Anyone who wants to hear more of the pathetic lament of the socially-oppressed white males, raise your hand.
What? There are two of you?
Well then, in that case- considering the massive interest in this topic- I think you should definitely go start your own thread and tell each other all about it.
Really let it all hang out.

The topic of this thread, however, is feminism, and whether it was "bad" for America.

So, you know.... toodles. :2wave:
 
Anyone else want to hear 1069 argue against her strawmen? Raise you hand...

What!? There are NONE of you?

So, 1069, were you going to address what was actually said, or are you just going to remain in your fantasy world?
 
1984 said:
Anyone else want to hear 1069 argue against her strawmen? Raise you hand...

What!? There are NONE of you?

So, 1069, were you going to address what was actually said, or are you just going to remain in your fantasy world?
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I've addressed it all I intend to.
As I said, the opinions of sexists (and racists, for that matter) hold no interest for me.
I don't associate with them.
I was polite enough to make that clear.
Frolicking at my feet trying to get my attention like two dogs begging for table scraps will avail you nothing.
 
Men think with their" Little Head." Wimens on the other hand, "Just can't make up their minds, blue or pink?" :rofl
 
Now that what's-her-face is done smacking around her strawmen, perhaps we can return to thread topic without having to suffer her incessant cries of racism and sexism...
 
1984 said:
No, it's not. You think promoting people based upon merit alone is sexist; you think a person's gender ought to help determine whether or not they are promoted; that makes you a sexist.
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Um, no she didn't. She was merely pointing out that people who use the oppressed white man fallacy are a new type of sexist, racist. It's unpopular to be blatantly sexist, racist, so they have hide their feelings with idiotic rhetoric. (Thats what I got from her statements, if she means different then she may wish to clarify. I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth)
 
1069 said:
I've addressed it all I intend to.
As I said, the opinions of sexists (and racists, for that matter) hold no interest for me.But they should, some of these people need help. Others do not, everyone has a degree of racism/sexism, we are not perfect.
I don't associate with them. Then you must be a hermit.:confused:
I was polite enough to make that clear. The definition of polite takes on a new meaning.:rofl
Frolicking at my feet trying to get my attention like two dogs begging for table scraps will avail you nothing.I am a man,not a dog, and do not need your attention, again, we are not perfect.
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Worthy of a responses, I think, this poster seems to be "sad". And this from a male chauvinist pig.:rofl
 
Your Star said:
Um, no she didn't. She was merely pointing out that people who use the oppressed white man fallacy...
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No one ever claimed to be an "oppressed white man". That was 1069's strawman.

...are a new type of sexist, racist.
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So, when a black man is promoted over a more qualified white man on the basis of his race, what, exactly, would you call that?

It's unpopular to be blatantly sexist, racist, so they have hide their feelings with idiotic rhetoric. (Thats what I got from her statements, if she means different then she may wish to clarify. I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth)
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She's had the chance to clarify herself. Instead, she maintained her idiotic fantasy that someone had claimed to be an oppressed white male, and cowardly retreated behind a veil of oily discharge.

It reminds me of Sir Robin's encounter with the three-headed knight...

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Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.

Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Robin!
 
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Your Star said:
Um, no she didn't. She was merely pointing out that people who use the oppressed white man fallacy are a new type of sexist, racist. It's unpopular to be blatantly sexist, racist, so they have hide their feelings with idiotic rhetoric. (Thats what I got from her statements, if she means different then she may wish to clarify. I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth)
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Why thats just horse**** son...her pathetic slip began when she started with the "you are just a man...you cant possibly relate to what others who have faced oppression might feel". Her sexism starts there..but then she continued with a label that she cant justify. Her response to my comment was wrong from the start. The only point being made was that everyone faces some level of discrimination (and while we are at it...how many people truly face 'discrimination' and how many adopt the sad legacy of oppression their ancestors MAY have gone through. For example...Obama talked about HIS legacy...how he was born through a parental unit brought about by the Selma freedom marches which brought his mom and dad together...except of course...it didnt HAPPEN...but There is Obama...Ich bin ein black person...

Its all bull****. We all go through our own crap...and for the record...not once was I complaining...I made that clear. It doesnt change that it HAPPENS. And if you actually READ the conext...the appeasement acts dont HELP ANYONE. Thats precisely what I said...yes...women and minorities are tossed pathetic little bones and given an advantage in the realms where it doesnt really HELP. It doesnt change anything...but it DOES create tension and keep people seperated.

And then you chimed in...kinda on cue...
 
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1069 said:
I've addressed it all I intend to.
As I said, the opinions of sexists (and racists, for that matter) hold no interest for me.
I don't associate with them.
I was polite enough to make that clear.
Frolicking at my feet trying to get my attention like two dogs begging for table scraps will avail you nothing.
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Actually its a little more like dancing on your head laughing at you for being a pathetic sexist...but see it how you want. Oh...and the pathetic 'racist' cry...thats just PERFECT. God love ya...how sad. :rofl
 
1984 said:
So, when a black man is promoted over a more qualified white man on the basis of his race, what, exactly, would you call that?
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It's bad, it shouldn't happen. But it happens far less than discrimination that happens because someone isn't a white male.
 
Mickey Shane said:
One time when I was 17, I was stopped at a red light when a couple (girl first) got out of their car and started fighting on the median. The guy was hollering real loud and taking swings at the girl. I drove off when the light turned green. There were many other cars at that intersection. I hoped someone gave her a hand.

I weighed about 150 lbs. soaking wet at the time. The guy was much bigger and older than I was. Admittedly, I was afraid of him.

I've never forgotten the cowardliness that kept me from offering assistance. I did finally fill out to 225 with the help of 20 years of construction work and a great cook for a spouse.

I need to atone for my sin. Maybe someday I will get the chance. No one will ever suffer physical abuse from anyone around me again. I will get involved next time.
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Priceless....

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