View Poll Results: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

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  • Yes, it was bad for America

    48 41.03%
  • No, it was good for America

    51 43.59%
  • A little bad and a little good. Overall it was neutral

    4 3.42%
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Agreed.


    Ironically, in order to show my love and affection to my wife, I overlooked my own distaste for the ritual (which she was and is well aware of) and still engaged in it (no pun intended) when I asked her to marry me.

    What was cool about it, and one of the reasons I truly love my wife, is that she "reciprocated" the act a few weeks later asking me to marry her and her "bribe" was a hi-def big screen TV (something she knew I wouldn't buy for myself but wanted) which she had delivered while I was at work. I walked in and she was down on one knee (begging) with the remote in her hand (bribing).

    To her, my will to conform to the conventions I despise was a sign of my love for her, and for me, her will to break from convention and do something somewhat novel was a sign of her love for me.
    Awww......seriously, way romantic.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Agreed.


    Ironically, in order to show my love and affection to my wife, I overlooked my own distaste for the ritual (which she was and is well aware of) and still engaged in it (no pun intended) when I asked her to marry me.

    What was cool about it, and one of the reasons I truly love my wife, is that she "reciprocated" the act a few weeks later asking me to marry her and her "bribe" was a hi-def big screen TV (something she knew I wouldn't buy for myself but wanted) which she had delivered while I was at work. I walked in and she was down on one knee (begging) with the remote in her hand (bribing).

    To her, my will to conform to the conventions I despise was a sign of my love for her, and for me, her will to break from convention and do something somewhat novel was a sign of her love for me.
    Again no bribe, she paid for the rings. I just picked it out. We were engaged before we got rings. I reciprocated by paying for the wedding. I mean my wife is pretty awesome and I feel she deserved it.

    I mean how many men can say their wife bought them a Mustang Cobra for Valatines day.

    It's not about the ring or ceremony. It is about the mutual love and respect in the symbolism.

    PS I don't think it symbolizes ownership. I think that is where it may have come from in the past. Today in the western world it is simply a sign of commitment.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Feminism? Hah! This one is just another socialist bowel movement.

    Where were all these feminists when Bill Clinton was busy violating Monica Lewinsky?
    Last edited by bicycleman; 05-11-10 at 02:26 PM.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    When I got married in key west in 1969 we had our reception at Sloppy Joes before the wedding ceremony at city hall. I did not even have a ring but Susie Creamcheese gave us her ring to use during the ceremony.

    Hell, I had never been married before and I didn't know you needed a ring. We are still happily married.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Feminism? Hah! This one is just another socialist bowel movement.

    Where were all these feminists when Bill Clinton was busy violating Monica Lewinsky?
    I think monica enjoyed it as much as the dudes who impeached him.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Ditto. Not only that, it signifies ownership of the woman.

    I have thus far failed to figure out the necessity of said ring if not for the above reason.
    The ritual of the diamond ring was invented by the De Beers company and their mass marketing. It started at the time when people were much more conformist than they are now, and so the idea that you weren't a man unless you were saving up three pay checks for a ring was ingrained in a generation.

    I agree, it's a dumb ritual. If I asked my partner if he wanted to get married and he was upset that I didn't do it with an expensive ring, I would re-consider being with him.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Again no bribe, she paid for the rings. I just picked it out. We were engaged before we got rings. I reciprocated by paying for the wedding. I mean my wife is pretty awesome and I feel she deserved it.

    I mean how many men can say their wife bought them a Mustang Cobra for Valatines day.

    It's not about the ring or ceremony. It is about the mutual love and respect in the symbolism.

    PS I don't think it symbolizes ownership. I think that is where it may have come from in the past. Today in the western world it is simply a sign of commitment.
    You guys seem to have bucked the conventions a bit and what you both did is definitely not the traditional ritual of engagement, so it isn't really what I was talking about with the symbolic bribe/begging thing.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I'm having a completly different attitude to feminism, because for me feminism mens something else than it does in the US.

    Feminism in my homecountry (Norway) was good in the begining, but after a while it went from removing discrimination to improsing governmental discrimination (Affirmative action) against men to empower women. Even though boys does worse at school and only 40% of the students are men, there is still a lot of affirmative action to make it easier for girls to attend college, while pretty much none the other way.

    Also, I disliked the way they talk about wages. In Norway, people will regually talk about wages. "If women looked like men, then they would get 15% higher wages", which is completly bull**** because the reason women earn less is because they take low wage jobs, they work less, get "sick" more often and they take less risks. If this was true, why don't we see more firms only employing women, because they are cheaper but produce the same value. To even question if the wage gap is due to discrimination or not, is politically incorrect and very few ever question what was programmed into them in school. (school books in Norway are not neutral like in the US, they are quited biased to the left and state their opinions as facts) Because of this wage gap, feminists demand that the government should make sure (communist style) that men don't get a raise, while women does.

    If you had to deal with this for 20 years of your life, then you would also dislike feminists.
    It's more or less the same here, although, there aren't as many giveaways as there are in Norway.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You guys seem to have bucked the conventions a bit and what you both did is definitely not the traditional ritual of engagement, so it isn't really what I was talking about with the symbolic bribe/begging thing.
    Yea that's true. We even got married in our house, lol. It was amazing.

    Been together a long time. Looking forward to many more years.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Feminism? Hah! This one is just another socialist bowel movement.

    Where were all these feminists when Bill Clinton was busy violating Monica Lewinsky?
    Cheering her on.

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