View Poll Results: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

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  • Yes, it was bad for America

    48 41.03%
  • No, it was good for America

    51 43.59%
  • A little bad and a little good. Overall it was neutral

    4 3.42%
  • A little bad and a little good. It changed a lot but not one way or the other.

    10 8.55%
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Um, no she didn't. She was merely pointing out that people who use the oppressed white man fallacy...
    No one ever claimed to be an "oppressed white man". That was 1069's strawman.

    ...are a new type of sexist, racist.
    So, when a black man is promoted over a more qualified white man on the basis of his race, what, exactly, would you call that?

    It's unpopular to be blatantly sexist, racist, so they have hide their feelings with idiotic rhetoric. (Thats what I got from her statements, if she means different then she may wish to clarify. I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth)
    She's had the chance to clarify herself. Instead, she maintained her idiotic fantasy that someone had claimed to be an oppressed white male, and cowardly retreated behind a veil of oily discharge.

    It reminds me of Sir Robin's encounter with the three-headed knight...

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    When danger reared its ugly head,
    He bravely turned his tail and fled.
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    And gallantly he chickened out.

    Bravely taking to his feet,
    He beat a very brave retreat.
    Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Robin!
    Last edited by 1984; 05-15-10 at 02:52 PM.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Um, no she didn't. She was merely pointing out that people who use the oppressed white man fallacy are a new type of sexist, racist. It's unpopular to be blatantly sexist, racist, so they have hide their feelings with idiotic rhetoric. (Thats what I got from her statements, if she means different then she may wish to clarify. I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth)
    Why thats just horse**** son...her pathetic slip began when she started with the "you are just a man...you cant possibly relate to what others who have faced oppression might feel". Her sexism starts there..but then she continued with a label that she cant justify. Her response to my comment was wrong from the start. The only point being made was that everyone faces some level of discrimination (and while we are at it...how many people truly face 'discrimination' and how many adopt the sad legacy of oppression their ancestors MAY have gone through. For example...Obama talked about HIS legacy...how he was born through a parental unit brought about by the Selma freedom marches which brought his mom and dad together...except of course...it didnt HAPPEN...but There is Obama...Ich bin ein black person...

    Its all bull****. We all go through our own crap...and for the record...not once was I complaining...I made that clear. It doesnt change that it HAPPENS. And if you actually READ the conext...the appeasement acts dont HELP ANYONE. Thats precisely what I said...yes...women and minorities are tossed pathetic little bones and given an advantage in the realms where it doesnt really HELP. It doesnt change anything...but it DOES create tension and keep people seperated.

    And then you chimed in...kinda on cue...
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I've addressed it all I intend to.
    As I said, the opinions of sexists (and racists, for that matter) hold no interest for me.
    I don't associate with them.
    I was polite enough to make that clear.
    Frolicking at my feet trying to get my attention like two dogs begging for table scraps will avail you nothing.
    Actually its a little more like dancing on your head laughing at you for being a pathetic sexist...but see it how you want. Oh...and the pathetic 'racist' cry...thats just PERFECT. God love ya...how sad.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post

    So, when a black man is promoted over a more qualified white man on the basis of his race, what, exactly, would you call that?
    It's bad, it shouldn't happen. But it happens far less than discrimination that happens because someone isn't a white male.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    One time when I was 17, I was stopped at a red light when a couple (girl first) got out of their car and started fighting on the median. The guy was hollering real loud and taking swings at the girl. I drove off when the light turned green. There were many other cars at that intersection. I hoped someone gave her a hand.

    I weighed about 150 lbs. soaking wet at the time. The guy was much bigger and older than I was. Admittedly, I was afraid of him.

    I've never forgotten the cowardliness that kept me from offering assistance. I did finally fill out to 225 with the help of 20 years of construction work and a great cook for a spouse.

    I need to atone for my sin. Maybe someday I will get the chance. No one will ever suffer physical abuse from anyone around me again. I will get involved next time.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's bad, it shouldn't happen.
    And what would you call it?

    But it happens far less than discrimination that happens because someone isn't a white male.
    No one ever said it didn't, and you completely ignored the fact that no one ever claimed to be an oppressed white male.
    Last edited by 1984; 05-15-10 at 03:09 PM.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's bad, it shouldn't happen. But it happens far less than discrimination that happens because someone isn't a white male.
    Neither instance should happen...but then for you to discount the perspective of one over the other is just plain ridiculous. Imagine being that white person who needs a job to provide for his family and knowing that the only reason you cant have that job is because you are white. How does THAT work in the whole race relations scheme...**** you pal...you didnt cause it...but you do have to pay for it...

    And again...for the record...that isnt ME. Hell...I'm mixed race enough I QUALIFY to play the race card...I dont. And Ive never pretended to know 'Jim Crow' type suffering...but then...neither has the assclown that mentioned Jim Crow...and probably not very many people in the last say...3-5 GENERATIONS or so...

    which goes back to the original post...if society had continued its progress I highly doubt we would still be where we are with regard sexism...and racism. I think things would be MUCH more improved without sides and the hatred.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I had to pay for school without the special compensations and opportunites. I had to endure appeasement acts in the military watching incompetent womena nd minorities get promoted in the name of social justice. Want to see appeasement acts in operation? Look at every soldier of the year banquet. Does it fix the disparity?
    No one ever said it didn't, and you completely ignored the fact that no one ever claimed to be an oppressed white male.
    He may not have said he was an oppressed white male, but that is what he was getting at. The system was oppressing him,by not giving him the same opportunities as a woman, or minorities, as he claims. So that makes him the oppressed white male I was referring too.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I am sure there is a variety of opinions on this. Such a social movement changed a lot about America, some good and some bad. What is your opinion about it overall?
    First, I am fully supportive of women being treated as equals to men, getting the same pay for the same job.

    That said, feminism was originally funded as a means of getting women out of the house and to double the base of people paying taxes. As women had become more and more independance from men, more and more women would leave there husbands meaning that a family would then be paying taxes for two jobs, taxes for two houses, two vehicles, etc...

    Even though this was the case, the origins of feminism in america was a good thing.

    Since that time, feminism has shifted into an excuse for women to become as promiscuous as possible. Womens heroes have shifted from the 'wonder woman' type to the Britanny spears / Christina type role models.

    At the same time, all the traits of masculinity have been demonized by women, which has caused a 'feminisation' of men. Many men are not allowed to act as men because it makes them 'mysoginist', 'pigs', etc... And men, who mainly want to make their women happy will ablige by allowing themselves to become more feminized, which eventually pushes away women, since women aren't attracted to feminized males, they are attracted to men.

    It's become a very convoluted situation.

    So, ultimately, feminism started off as a good thing... but it's been corrupted and twisted into something much less benevolant.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    He may not have said he was an oppressed white male, but that is what he was getting at. The system was oppressing him,by not giving him the same opportunities as a woman, or minorities, as he claims. So that makes him the oppressed white male I was referring too.
    The HE is 'I' and I never once implied that. The fact is the situation I DESCRIBED happens. I only brought it up in response to a pathetic allegation that 'because you are a white man you cant understand poor pathetic women nd minorities and their suffering"...the typical impotent liberal moan.

    Now...THAT IT HAPPENS is just a thing. I assure you...nothing could be further from the truth if you think I see myself as being or have been oppressed. I have had 3 very successful careers...ive accomplished much and Im VERY HAPPY with where I am in life and where I am headed. Oh...BTW...I said THAT in that same post as well...see how easy it is to miss things when you jump to whiny conclusions?

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