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  • Yes, it was bad for America

    48 41.03%
  • No, it was good for America

    51 43.59%
  • A little bad and a little good. Overall it was neutral

    4 3.42%
  • A little bad and a little good. It changed a lot but not one way or the other.

    10 8.55%
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    6 5.13%
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You can tell how assertive someone will be based upon the length of their ring finger (4D) in comparison to their index finger (2D).

    Men whose ring fingers are shorter than their index fingers have lower levels of testosterone. Women whose ring fingers are as long or longer than their index fingers tend to have high levels of testosterone.

    The old hunter/gatherer dynamic has largely been discarded. It's about hormones, these days.
    Hunter/gatherer dynamic is evolutionary. Men are generally, physically, stronger and can therefore sustain more the physical effort needed to hunt game. Women, not being equally physical are better suited to gathering. We still retain those evolutionary differences and they don't stop at physical build either. Women seek out security for their offspring while men seek the most viable female to ensure the continuation of his genes. These and other evolutionary holdovers still dictate much of our behavior. Just because you have high testosterone makes you an anomaly or an exception, not the rule. You are arguing based on your personal bias and ignoring the the norm.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    One time when I was 17, I was stopped at a red light when a couple (girl first) got out of their car and started fighting on the median. The guy was hollering real loud and taking swings at the girl. I drove off when the light turned green. There were many other cars at that intersection. I hoped someone gave her a hand.

    I weighed about 150 lbs. soaking wet at the time. The guy was much bigger and older than I was. Admittedly, I was afraid of him.

    I've never forgotten the cowardliness that kept me from offering assistance. I did finally fill out to 225 with the help of 20 years of construction work and a great cook for a spouse.

    I need to atone for my sin. Maybe someday I will get the chance. No one will ever suffer physical abuse from anyone around me again. I will get involved next time.
    So you just drove away?
    What kind of chicken **** is that?

    *pick up cell phone*
    *beep bop bope beep*
    "911, what is your emergency?"

    Ok - see - that's what you do, you call and report that someone is beating the **** out of someone else - report the address and vehicle description if it applies.



    So - maybe when you were 17 you didn't have a cellphone. . . well then. . .
    My husband was driving through town and saw someone beating up his girlfriend - he flagged down a cop - there, done.

    Why is doing the right thing scary? The police are there to intervene when you should not.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I am sure there is a variety of opinions on this. Such a social movement changed a lot about America, some good and some bad. What is your opinion about it overall?
    The liberation of women in this country was the best thing to every happen to this nation.

    One, for my 5 daughters.

    And me, for all the loves I have known.

    What a country!

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simba View Post
    The liberation of women in this country was the best thing to every happen to this nation.

    One, for my 5 daughters.

    And me, for all the loves I have known.

    What a country!
    Much as I'd like to agree, I can't say it was the best thing that ever happened, except from a purely selfish perspective.
    I'd say it was part of the best thing that ever happened in America, to date: the civil rights movement, ostensibly equal rights for all citizens, and an end to legally-sanctioned discrimination and inequality based on race, ethnicity, gender, handicap, religion, etc.

    I wouldn't want to be perceived as implying that women's lib was somehow better or more important than the abolition of black slavery, racial segregation, or Jim Crow laws.
    It's all part and parcel of the same thing.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Much as I'd like to agree, I can't say it was the best thing that ever happened, except from a purely selfish perspective.
    I'd say it was part of the best thing that ever happened in America, to date: the civil rights movement, ostensibly equal rights for all citizens, and an end to legally-sanctioned discrimination and inequality based on race, ethnicity, gender, handicap, religion, etc.

    I wouldn't want to be perceived as implying that women's lib was somehow better or more important than the abolition of black slavery, racial segregation, or Jim Crow laws.
    Absolutely. You got me there. They were all equally good. Only, from my selfish perspective as a man, I was thinking only of myself.

    *winks*

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Emotions are just chemical responses to physical stimuli, anyway - so I'm not too bothered by studies that discover men and women are fueled by different juices. Seems kind of moot to do a study on it, really.
    It's just that eternal quest to find a scientific study to prove, once and for all, that there is no difference between a man and a woman besides their genitalia. At that point, women will find something else to be unhappy about.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's just that eternal quest to find a scientific study to prove, once and for all, that there is no difference between a man and a woman besides their genitalia. At that point, women will find something else to be unhappy about.
    God bless the female genitalia.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Unfortunately the recent study involving men and doses of oxytoxin proves that men and women generally feel emotions differently - personality types aside.

    Emotions are just chemical responses to physical stimuli, anyway - so I'm not too bothered by studies that discover men and women are fueled by different juices. Seems kind of moot to do a study on it, really.
    Absolutely right.
    Men do act out emotionally, it just depends on the subject/context/situation.

    I could prove this here but it would have to be a trap to truly make it work well.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You apparently have a strong need to see it as "men are this" and "women are this." But it tain't necessarily so. Our evolutionary heritage is A LOT more complicated than that.

    For instance, the level of testosterone in mothers determines whether they have male or female offspring, and it is a changeable condition:

    Women with high testosterone may be more likely to have sons - Times Online
    In general it is true, having a bit more testosterone does not make you that much different.
    You probably fall nearer to the end of the bell curve but you probably act like a regular women, more or less.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I would guess that River has higher testosterone than average, as do Chuck, Aps, and 1069. All mothers of sons, fwiw.
    I understand that.
    It increases the likely hood of acceptance but it doesn't change anything about women acting like women because they are..... women.

    To understand better.

    Most women = act less like a generalized woman and act more like a generalized woman.
    In the end though, they all have significant, observable traits of a female personality.
    (This section includes a huge amount of women.)

    A minority of women = don't act like a generalized woman at all.
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