View Poll Results: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

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  • Yes, it was bad for America

    48 41.03%
  • No, it was good for America

    51 43.59%
  • A little bad and a little good. Overall it was neutral

    4 3.42%
  • A little bad and a little good. It changed a lot but not one way or the other.

    10 8.55%
  • Other...

    6 5.13%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That was pretty stupid of them. I thought you said the female body was connected to a brain?
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    Re: Dr. Laura

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That was pretty stupid of them. I thought you said the female body was connected to a brain?


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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    I would have an opinion, but my woman hasn't come back with my sandwhich yet.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Forgive me, I'm tipsy:

    We're squared away, now, so don't worry. All those issues are far in the past and he and I have both dealt with our individual problems. . . we're candy.

    but, you know - there are accepted differences between men and women and the roles that are followed through in a family/marriage/relationship. . . like nursing a baby. no matter how much a woman would want a man to do that, a man just isn't going to be able to do that. there just are some undeniable differences leading the different genders to play separate roles.

    I let go when I realized that someone just *had* to wash the dishes and do the laundry. It couldn't be the kids - they had school and their own lives to live. Couldn't be my husband, his job was ultimately demanding and that has only increased with each promotion - he was working 40 hours on average and now he works 60+ and often goes away for days at a time.

    I had to do it and just get over my bitterness. Did that take away my feminism? Nope - not at all. I thought it would but it didn't. I do all the things that are necessary to keep the house and family going when he can't be here and I do things that he just doesn't have the time to do. . . which is practically everything. His end of the bargain is to stay in shape and work and bring home the bacon - which he does very well.

    So, feminism in my life has been a boot in the butt - my energy and reason to do things that I don't *want* to do. I tell myself all the time "I can do this, I'm a woman - this is no big deal." - I've done all sorts of things that I use to find appalling, repulsive and scary. I've been under my house endlessly - in the attic - in the woods in the dark. There's nothing I don't know how to do or am not willing to learn and take on.

    Right now I'm in month 4 of remodeling our master bath. It *needed* to be done - the old floor was water damaged and rotting out - and no one else but me had the time to do it. We couldn't afford to hire someone to do it. My husband physically can't do it (injured during his previous deployment) so I'm the only one whose around to step up to the plate and take care of business.

    I'm a bit slow, I'm nervous and unsure of the quality of my work but I'm doing pretty well and learning more and more with each DIY project I take on (this is my 2nd bathroom) - I could either sit and grouse and bitch like a pansy or man up and deal with it and get it done.

    That, to me, is a "woman" - can do everything and anything that needs to be done. I cook, clean, sew and stick my hands in septic tanks.
    I have no idea how to remodel a bathroom. Does this make me less of a man? Probably. I hope it turns out well! Glad to hear you are "candy".

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I am sure there is a variety of opinions on this. Such a social movement changed a lot about America, some good and some bad. What is your opinion about it overall?
    It was good for America, women finally got a voice.
    Last edited by Luissa; 05-14-10 at 05:17 AM.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Forgive me, I'm tipsy:

    We're squared away, now, so don't worry. All those issues are far in the past and he and I have both dealt with our individual problems. . . we're candy.

    but, you know - there are accepted differences between men and women and the roles that are followed through in a family/marriage/relationship. . . like nursing a baby. no matter how much a woman would want a man to do that, a man just isn't going to be able to do that. there just are some undeniable differences leading the different genders to play separate roles.

    I let go when I realized that someone just *had* to wash the dishes and do the laundry. It couldn't be the kids - they had school and their own lives to live. Couldn't be my husband, his job was ultimately demanding and that has only increased with each promotion - he was working 40 hours on average and now he works 60+ and often goes away for days at a time.

    I had to do it and just get over my bitterness. Did that take away my feminism? Nope - not at all. I thought it would but it didn't. I do all the things that are necessary to keep the house and family going when he can't be here and I do things that he just doesn't have the time to do. . . which is practically everything. His end of the bargain is to stay in shape and work and bring home the bacon - which he does very well.

    So, feminism in my life has been a boot in the butt - my energy and reason to do things that I don't *want* to do. I tell myself all the time "I can do this, I'm a woman - this is no big deal." - I've done all sorts of things that I use to find appalling, repulsive and scary. I've been under my house endlessly - in the attic - in the woods in the dark. There's nothing I don't know how to do or am not willing to learn and take on.

    Right now I'm in month 4 of remodeling our master bath. It *needed* to be done - the old floor was water damaged and rotting out - and no one else but me had the time to do it. We couldn't afford to hire someone to do it. My husband physically can't do it (injured during his previous deployment) so I'm the only one whose around to step up to the plate and take care of business.

    I'm a bit slow, I'm nervous and unsure of the quality of my work but I'm doing pretty well and learning more and more with each DIY project I take on (this is my 2nd bathroom) - I could either sit and grouse and bitch like a pansy or man up and deal with it and get it done.

    That, to me, is a "woman" - can do everything and anything that needs to be done. I cook, clean, sew and stick my hands in septic tanks.
    You stick your hands in septic tanks? I think I love you.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    ''You know, I couldn't help but think this:

    It seems acceptable debate material to actually ask "Overall, was feminism bad for America?" - no one is really pissed that this was proposed and heavily debated.

    But what if the kin were asked: "Overall, was the emancipation of slaves bad for America?" - people would not take it too well and a sound debate would not be had.

    However, the slaves were emancipated in the late 1800's - given the right to vote much later. So - why doesn't anyone try to connect lines from the emancipation to a lot of problems that have been penned to feminism in some fashion? (like the economical impacts and so forth).''







    It is a real pity that significant points such as this one and and a number of others get burried under mounds of rubbish and nonsense comments and abuse.



    I made a thread asking something like this a few days ago. Here is the link.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...ine-taken.html



    But, it would be progress if these thread were at lease kept clean of heckling, trolling ....

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    ''You know, I couldn't help but think this:

    It seems acceptable debate material to actually ask "Overall, was feminism bad for America?" - no one is really pissed that this was proposed and heavily debated.

    But what if the kin were asked: "Overall, was the emancipation of slaves bad for America?" - people would not take it too well and a sound debate would not be had.

    However, the slaves were emancipated in the late 1800's - given the right to vote much later. So - why doesn't anyone try to connect lines from the emancipation to a lot of problems that have been penned to feminism in some fashion? (like the economical impacts and so forth).''

    It is a real pity that significant points such as this one and and a number of others get burried under mounds of rubbish and nonsense comments and abuse.
    I addressed this point in my post quoted below. You need to learn how to quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    IMHO, there is an important difference between the emancipation of blacks and the emancipation of women. That is the impact on families.

    Women's liberation is something to be proud of. Extending the vote and enabling the economic prospects have been positive developments in our history.

    However, this has dramatically changed families in America. The typical family of today is very different than the typical family of the 1950s. Women work and so you have 2 earner households. There is also an increase in single parent families (mixed: pos - out of bad marriages, neg - missing role models for children). Other changes have occurred as well, which may or may not be due to women's liberation: increased education (positive - for men and women), increased urbanization (mixed), increased drug use (mixed), increased crime (negative), surely others I am missing. I don't know how much can be laid at the feet of women's liberation but surely some of it is related.

    I am glad we could discuss it.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    ''I addressed this point in my post quoted below.''

    Yes, you gave a personal opinion...

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Not true.
    Some men can and do nurse their babies.
    They induce lactation with breast pumps and hormone pills.
    They don't typically produce enough milk to provide an infant's sole source of nourishment, but they produce some.

    Male lactation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Fascinating!

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I have no idea how to remodel a bathroom. Does this make me less of a man? Probably. I hope it turns out well! Glad to hear you are "candy".
    Haha, of course not - most people haven't a clue, neither do I! I'm just fumbling along as I go and hoping no one notices.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    You stick your hands in septic tanks? I think I love you.
    *curtsy*
    Yep - I had to replace the baffles and septic inlet two weeks ago. I tell you, once you've dealt with a septic tank there's little else in the world that you can classify as 'absolutely disgusting.'
    We had a backup, I dug it up, paid the guy to pump it, he diagnosed our problems, and I did the rest of the work instead of paying him over $1,000 to dig and repair (I just can't bring myself to pay someone to do something that I know I can do myself).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    It is a real pity that significant points such as this one and and a number of others get burried under mounds of rubbish and nonsense comments and abuse.

    I made a thread asking something like this a few days ago. Here is the link.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...ine-taken.html
    Interesting, I'll read and comment.

    But, it would be progress if these thread were at lease kept clean of heckling, trolling ....
    I second that
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