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  • Yes, it was bad for America

    48 41.03%
  • No, it was good for America

    51 43.59%
  • A little bad and a little good. Overall it was neutral

    4 3.42%
  • A little bad and a little good. It changed a lot but not one way or the other.

    10 8.55%
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    6 5.13%
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Hell, kids as young as twelve or thirteen were running off to fight in the Revolutionary and Civil Wars; and before that, running out West. Or running off to sea. European youths were apprenticing or indenturing themselves, running off to the New World.

    In those times, leaving your town or county frequently meant that your family would never hear from you again; never even know if you were alive or dead.
    Starting a new life, back then, had a literal meaning.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Could you perhaps include some material in your OP...maybe illustrating classical feminism with modern feminism?

    ...or at least a coloring section and some pop-up pictures....
    Of naked women

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
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    Yay feminism

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I agree that there are some downsides - there's a downside to every single thing.

    But I don't believe for one second that families were more 'solid' before the late 1800's/early 1900's. I think our knowledge is skewed simply because we're not living it - and have few direct ties who can tell the tale.

    I think a lot of men have been unstable alcoholics, abusive bastards, unfit to work and laze-about-leeches and incapable of staying faithful just as much now as were in the past. Just because the family *was* together in a home doesn't mean it *was* a good family. Just because the wife didn't work and was home 24/7 doesn't mean the home was happy and well-kept. Everyone just *thinks* that's how things were.

    What really has changed was the power that women had to do something about it *and* everyone's awareness of such behavior - domestic violence is now unacceptable and women do not have to tolerate such behavior. Unlike 100 years ago when a woman had no recourse and simply had to endure it. Or the children - there was no DHS 100 years ago, the children were also abused and mistreated, starved and abandoned - and no one was there to help them, either.

    If life before Women's Lib was so 'pleasant' then such strong and troublesome efforts wouldn't have been made to change it.

    *edit* Ok - so I left out the opposite side of the story as I see it. I don't think an unhappy woman in an unpleasant marriage would be a good mother, either. I went through years and years of endless bitterness over our financial situation and the fact that the affordable solution was for me to be a sahm - I hated it and took my anger and unhappiness out on everyone and intentionally neglected my children, the home and all my 'duties'
    I do those things now - I've let go - but when I was bitter about it this home was FAR from happy.

    I imagine that's how things were back then, too.
    I have never been married so I can't relate to the ups and downs a married couple experiences - I have been told they occur. A marriage over say 40 years is a lot of time. Hopefully, you and your spouse can figure out the right roles and live happily. I think it is illuminating to hear of your unhappiness which transformed when you "let go". In the modern day, how often might that have ended in divorce?

    I do think that marriages were more solid. I also think there was more abuse. Due to women's liberation we have less abuse. We also have more divorces, the majority of which have nothing to do with abuse. It seems general unhappiness may lead to infidelity and divorce. It used to be tolerated and addressed and the family stayed together.

    The destruction of families is damaging to our society. And let's be honest that women equally play the role of unstable alcoholics, abusive bastards, unfit to work and laze-about-leeches.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Hell, kids as young as twelve or thirteen were running off to fight in the Revolutionary and Civil Wars; and before that, running out West. Or running off to sea. European youths were apprenticing or indenturing themselves, running off to the New World.

    In those times, leaving your town or county frequently meant that your family would never hear from you again; never even know if you were alive or dead.
    Starting a new life, back then, had a literal meaning.
    I s'pose with a life expectancy around 40'ish inclines one to get out there and make **** happen.

    Reminds me of a joke.

    Wadda ya call a 13 year old virgin in Alabama?

    Ugly!!

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    I s'pose with a life expectancy around 40'ish inclines one to get out there and make **** happen.
    I suspect they packed more adventure into their short lives than we'll ever experience, even if we manage to extend the average life expectancy to 150.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I s'pose with a life expectancy around 40'ish inclines one to get out there and make **** happen.

    Reminds me of a joke.

    Wadda ya call a 13 year old virgin in Alabama?

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I suspect they packed more adventure into their short lives than we'll ever experience, even if we manage to extend the average life expectancy to 150.
    I suspect you're right.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I do think that marriages were more solid. I also think there was more abuse. Due to women's liberation we have less abuse.
    I don't know if marriages were more solid, but they did last much longer, usually because the woman was dependent on the man for her survival, as a general rule. More abuse? Maybe, but I doubt it was significantly more. Lots of abused women stay in their abusive relationships for whatever reason that I don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    We also have more divorces, the majority of which have nothing to do with abuse. It seems general unhappiness may lead to infidelity and divorce. It used to be tolerated and addressed and the family stayed together.
    Very true in my experience and observation. Many women seem to enter marriage with a very unrealistic expectations- perhaps they've read too many fairytales, or maybe it's that they are looking for something which does not exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The destruction of families is damaging to our society. And let's be honest that women equally play the role of unstable alcoholics, abusive bastards, unfit to work and laze-about-leeches.
    Yes, it is damaging, no doubt. And yes, women equally play the role of abusers and dysfunctional partners.
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    Radio talk-show host offers blunt advice to college interns


    Posted: June 11, 2001
    1:00 am Eastern
    By Joseph A. D'Agostino
    2010 Human Events






    ~snip~

    "I don't balance my life," she said. "I don't believe in balance. I make choices. When you say, 'I can be a parent and a this and a this,' no you can't. And usually, it's your kids that pay the price, or your spouse."

    Declaring herself a "recovered feminist," she said that she believed "religion is crucial to avoiding divorce. People today talk about my right, my right, my rights. You can avoid divorce when two people are putting their own rights secondary. ... I get lots of letters from young men who are afraid because they fear that if they get married, a few years later their wife will want to 'find herself.' That usually means in the arms of another guy. And then she can move to California with the kids and a judge will say, 'He can e-mail them twice a day. That's enough fathering.'"

    Schlessinger described the feminist movement as "white rich girls in East Coast schools complaining to their female professors."
    From the article:
    I get lots of letters from young men who are afraid because they fear that if they get married, a few years later their wife will want to 'find herself.' That usually means in the arms of another guy
    ..wow if that doesn't describe my marriage "I want to establish me"....yeah well that's all fine and good until we had children.
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