View Poll Results: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

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  • Yes, it was bad for America

    48 41.03%
  • No, it was good for America

    51 43.59%
  • A little bad and a little good. Overall it was neutral

    4 3.42%
  • A little bad and a little good. It changed a lot but not one way or the other.

    10 8.55%
  • Other...

    6 5.13%
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    We are borg
    Monty python reference fail.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I thought we were an autonomous collective.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    We are borg
    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Monty python reference fail.
    ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
    Who's castle is that?
    WOMAN: King of the who?
    ARTHUR: The Britons.
    WOMAN: Who are the Britons?
    ARTHUR: Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king.
    WOMAN: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous
    collective.
    DENNIS: You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship.
    A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
    WOMAN: Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.
    DENNIS: That's what it's all about if only people would--
    ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives
    in that castle?
    WOMAN: No one live there.
    ARTHUR: Then who is your lord?
    WOMAN: We don't have a lord.
    ARTHUR: What?
    DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take
    it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
    ARTHUR: Yes.
    DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified
    at a special biweekly meeting.
    ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
    DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--
    ARTHUR: Be quiet!
    DENNIS: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--
    ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
    WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is?
    ARTHUR: I am your king!
    WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
    ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings.
    WOMAN: Well, 'ow did you become king then?
    ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake,
    [angels sing]
    her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur
    from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I,
    Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
    [singing stops]
    That is why I am your king!
    DENNIS: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
    is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power
    derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical
    aquatic ceremony.
    ARTHUR: Be quiet!
    DENNIS: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power
    just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
    ARTHUR: Shut up!
    DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just
    because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd
    put me away!
    ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!
    DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
    ARTHUR: Shut up!
    DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
    HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!


    EDIT: Even better:

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI"]YouTube- Monty Python and the Holy Grail[/nomedia]
    Last edited by rivrrat; 05-13-10 at 05:03 PM.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    You can't clit around all day talking about this stuff without some espresso and getting a little sugar.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    WTF is a uteru? Uteri've never heard of such a thing.


    Edit: I see you cocked it up the first time and changed it to breast you can do.
    I was trying to make uterus sound like whatisstuff or something. Pun overreach.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You can't clit around all day talking about this stuff without some espresso and getting a little sugar.
    I think Tucker was saying that the penis mightier than the sword or somewhat.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think Tucker was saying that the penis mightier than the sword or somewhat.
    Are you trying to measure your penis with my clit?

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    These bad puns are nuts.


















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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    You know, I couldn't help but think this:

    It seems acceptable debate material to actually ask "Overall, was feminism bad for America?" - no one is really pissed that this was proposed and heavily debated.

    But what if the kin were asked: "Overall, was the emancipation of slaves bad for America?" - people would not take it too well and a sound debate would not be had.

    In essence slavery and pre-women's lib era beliefs and values were the same: catagorizing someone based on a natural born fact (woman/black), forcing this person to submit to a lifestyle that was unwanted (not for everyone, but for most) and treating the person differently/lesser than the average white male.
    In these ways - though the directive and plights much different - it is similar.

    However, the slaves were emancipated in the late 1800's - given the right to vote much later. So - why doesn't anyone try to connect lines from the emancipation to a lot of problems that have been penned to feminism in some fashion? (like the economical impacts and so forth).
    Last edited by Aunt Spiker; 05-13-10 at 06:49 PM.
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    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know, I couldn't help but think this:

    It seems acceptable debate material to actually ask "Overall, was feminism bad for America?" - no one is really pissed that this was proposed and heavily debated.

    But what if the kin were asked: "Overall, was the emancipation of slaves bad for America?" - people would not take it too well and a sound debate would not be had.

    In essence slavery and pre-women's lib era beliefs and values were the same: catagorizing someone based on a natural born fact (woman/black), forcing this person to submit to a lifestyle that was unwanted (not for everyone, but for most) and treating the person differently/lesser than the average white male.
    In these ways - though the directive and plights much different - it is similar.

    However, the slaves were emancipated in the late 1800's - given the right to vote much later. So - why doesn't anyone try to connect lines from the emancipation to a lot of problems that have been penned to feminism in some fashion? (like the economical impacts and so forth).
    I'm pissed.
    But it doesn't do any good to say what I really think about it.
    Years ago, there was a series of threads started by Bodhisattva, castigating women's liberation and blaming it for all sorts of social ills, and espousing the notion that society would be better if all women left the work force, stayed home, kept house for their husbands, and raised a bunch of children.

    I was banned from each of those threads (and each eventually ended up locked and archived).
    Of course I find it outrageous, but I am one of those members who is rapidly silenced and removed when I allow my outrage to show.
    It's too much, I suppose. Too disruptive.

    At the time those threads were going on, there were a number of housewives on the forum; one was a moderator. Most have since been banned.
    The threads degenerated into The Mommy Wars*, while a few misogynistic males sat by nodding approvingly, pleased with the chaos they had wrought.
    There is no better way to oppress a group of people than to divide them, turn them against one another, and cause them to fall into fighting among themselves.
    Meanwhile, the real enemy- patriarchy and male privilege- smirks while slinking off stage left, content that the status quo has and will continue to be maintained.


    (The Mommy Wars:

    "Daycare is child abuse! Women who selfishly put their careers ahead of their families by working outside the home don't love their children and never should've had them. Their children will grow up to be serial killers and crack fiends."

    "Housewifes are fat-arsed lazy pigs little better than prostitutes, who contribute nothing to society and lay around on the couch eating Twinkies and watching soap operas all day. They're an embarrassment to women. Their children will grow up to need lifelong therapy.")
    Last edited by 1069; 05-13-10 at 07:30 PM.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I'm pissed.
    But it doesn't do any good to say what I really think about it.
    I am quite sorry you are pissed about my starting this thread, 1069. I was intentionally provocative to start debate and it worked - it has been an excellent discussion which you seriously contributed to. Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know, I couldn't help but think this:

    It seems acceptable debate material to actually ask "Overall, was feminism bad for America?" - no one is really pissed that this was proposed and heavily debated.

    But what if the kin were asked: "Overall, was the emancipation of slaves bad for America?" - people would not take it too well and a sound debate would not be had.

    In essence slavery and pre-women's lib era beliefs and values were the same: catagorizing someone based on a natural born fact (woman/black), forcing this person to submit to a lifestyle that was unwanted (not for everyone, but for most) and treating the person differently/lesser than the average white male.
    In these ways - though the directive and plights much different - it is similar.

    However, the slaves were emancipated in the late 1800's - given the right to vote much later. So - why doesn't anyone try to connect lines from the emancipation to a lot of problems that have been penned to feminism in some fashion? (like the economical impacts and so forth).
    IMHO, there is an important difference between the emancipation of blacks and the emancipation of women. That is the impact on families.

    Women's liberation is something to be proud of. Extending the vote and enabling the economic prospects have been positive developments in our history.

    However, this has dramatically changed families in America. The typical family of today is very different than the typical family of the 1950s. Women work and so you have 2 earner households. There is also an increase in single parent families (mixed: pos - out of bad marriages, neg - missing role models for children). Other changes have occurred as well, which may or may not be due to women's liberation: increased education (positive - for men and women), increased urbanization (mixed), increased drug use (mixed), increased crime (negative), surely others I am missing. I don't know how much can be laid at the feet of women's liberation but surely some of it is related.

    I am glad we could discuss it.

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