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  • Yes, it was bad for America

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  • A little bad and a little good. Overall it was neutral

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    A human male and female are about as genetically different as a human and a chimpanzee of the same gender.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You and I know that the distribution of hormones is, usually, gender related.
    There are always anomalies in this world.

    So it is a generality.

    Edit: No where am I saying that women should scoot there asses to the kitchen.
    I'm just saying that, in general, the personality and behavior of a man or women is largely determined by evolutionary gender roles.
    You apparently have a strong need to see it as "men are this" and "women are this." But it tain't necessarily so. Our evolutionary heritage is A LOT more complicated than that.

    For instance, the level of testosterone in mothers determines whether they have male or female offspring, and it is a changeable condition:

    Women with high testosterone may be more likely to have sons - Times Online

    She found that women who are confident, assertive, influential and with a strong sense of self have high levels of testosterone (you normally know one when you've met one) and produce sons, whereas mothers of daughters tend to be more nurturing, empathic and tolerant and have lower testosterone.

    Grant has new research published this month which, she says, puts her theory on a firmer footing and yet again turns reproductive biology on its head. What she has come up with is a mechanism that has proved (albeit in cows, which sounds odd but is considered an acceptable model) that levels of testosterone in the follicles (which produce the egg) reliably predict the sex of the embryo and, more startling, that the egg may well come out already adapted to receive an X or Y chromosome-bearing sperm. In lay terms this means that the female has already “decided” which sex offspring to have before sperm get involved.

    Anecdotally, it is always going to be easy to dismiss Grant's theory by coming up with someone who does not fit the mould. That is because most women can produce both-sex children. If you draw a normal distribution curve of testosterone, most women will fall in the middle; they have a medium amount and fluctuate from side to side across a middle line month to month, perhaps producing an egg adapted to an X chromosome one cycle, a Y chromosome the next. In women, testosterone is also very influenced by external stresses - on a grand scale, war, but also smaller stresses such as a death in family or changing jobs. But, Grant asserts, there are some women at either extremes of the line, still within a normal range, with high or low levels who will always have boys or always have girls - roughly 68 per cent in the middle, and 16 per cent at either end. Grant says that before contraception was widely used, she saw families with 12 or 13 children of the same sex. “I would still never say ‘never' to these women, though,” she admits. “Testosterone dips with age. You could have six boys in a row and suddenly produce a girl in your forties”.
    I would guess that River has higher testosterone than average, as do Chuck, Aps, and 1069. All mothers of sons, fwiw.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    I look at "feminism" as simply treating women as equals, with respect and dignity, not as second class citizens with limited abilities as was the case not very long ago.
    America is being dragged into the 20th century, kicking and screaming, as witnessed by those(nearly 30%) against change.
    20th century??? say some??.....We are still a century behind where we should be.
    Some discrimination will always be necessary. Mainly, as it is the women who carries the child and must do the grunt work. She must be afforded every break.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    A human male and female are about as genetically different as a human and a chimpanzee of the same gender.
    False. Chimps are vastly different to humans genetically. That 99% similar thing was based on flawed analysis (not based on chromosomal/gene analysis).
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It is why I don't buy this women and men are equal nonsense.
    We are made different by nature.
    Equal and different are not mutually exclusive.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    You can tell how assertive someone will be based upon the length of their ring finger (4D) in comparison to their index finger (2D).

    Men whose ring fingers are shorter than their index fingers have lower levels of testosterone. Women whose ring fingers are as long or longer than their index fingers tend to have high levels of testosterone.

    The old hunter/gatherer dynamic has largely been discarded. It's about hormones, these days.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    A human male and female are about as genetically different as a human and a chimpanzee of the same gender.
    Strange, very starnge.
    Forget the sense and logic.

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    joke Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You apparently have a strong need to see it as "men are this" and "women are this." But it tain't necessarily so. Our evolutionary heritage is A LOT more complicated than that.

    For instance, the level of testosterone in mothers determines whether they have male or female offspring, and it is a changeable condition:

    Women with high testosterone may be more likely to have sons - Times Online



    I would guess that River has higher testosterone than average, as does Chuck, Aps, and 1069. All mothers of sons, fwiw.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    A human male and female are about as genetically different as a human and a chimpanzee of the same gender.
    Evidence?

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I look forward to the day when we outrgow these tired notions that our personalities and brains are shaped by our genitalia.
    Again, they aren't shaped by our genitalia or by the presence or absence of breasts and mammary glands. They are shaped, in part, by our hormonal differences, which in turn cause the development of secondary sex characteristics.
    Yes, all people are different. There are masculine women and feminine men, and some of these behaviors are learned and environmental, but hormonal differences, not just sex hormones, but other endocrine system hormone production and release, do have an effect on how we evolved socially and behaviorally. It is necessary to the survival of our species for this to be the case. If we were all too heavily endowed with testosterone, we might be inclined to kill the children.

    Womens rights and equality is an equalization of legal rights, but does not make women equal to men. It's not possible. Women are superior to men in some social arenas, and men are superior to women in others.
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