View Poll Results: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

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  • Yes, it was bad for America

    48 41.03%
  • No, it was good for America

    51 43.59%
  • A little bad and a little good. Overall it was neutral

    4 3.42%
  • A little bad and a little good. It changed a lot but not one way or the other.

    10 8.55%
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What violation happened?
    She wanted dick
    He wanted pussy
    Whether the dick and pussy were had is unbeknown to us - but a good time was, we know that at the least.

    Why do you assume that a good time between two people is against feminism? Feminism, if anything, would encourage women to be more open to 'seeing' more men rather than tying their selves into a marriage.

    So - in your beef, here, through your eyes - Lewinsky embodies feminism by putting her wants and desires ahead of someone else's issues (meaning - the Clinton's marriage) and Hillery stands against feminism by staying with a man who couldn't be faithful and failed to adhere to the promise he made when they wed. . . and by continuing to do so eventhough they have a fractured and thin-veiled marriage even now.

    Now - cheating and being scandalous and unfaithful has been a human+marriage issue since the dawn of time - before the notion of feminism even became a thing to dream of. So why you're having issues with Monica giving a little head now and then is beyond me.
    So the violation of the marriage oath and the act of adultery represent feminism to you?

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow
    It's not the government's job to balance paydays between employees of the same company.
    Where does it say that the government has no right to do such a thing - and if it does, why has the government gotten away with it for so long? The government is founded with the power to maximise the 'safety and happiness' of the people - that's all the people, not just the ones with a Y chromosome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman
    So the violation of the marriage oath and the act of adultery represent feminism to you?
    You weren't talking about the 'violation of the marriage oath' - you originally said the 'violation of Lewinsky', which is quite a different matter.

    Incidentally, there's a certain offshoot of feminism - queer theory - that would be all about violating marriage oaths; or rather, never having them in the first place. Anti-heteronormativity, and all that.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's not the government's job to balance paydays between employees of the same company.
    Yes, this is a deliberate distortion of the real issue, viz, the pay of men and women. It is the government's job to help ensure salaries are not influenced by the simply and uncontrollable fact of being born one gender or another.

    The reason why I think this is the case, is because the pay differential is not grounded in anything substantive; it's not as though all women are lazier than men or anything similar. Simple patriarchal prejudice, totally unfounded, is largely responsible for it.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Feminism + Ortho Novum = the Summer of Love.

    It couldn't have happened without the proper ingredients.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    So the violation of the marriage oath and the act of adultery represent feminism to you?
    Nice strawman, but fail. Monica Lewinsky was a consenting adult. Bill Clinton was a consenting adult. This situation should have remained between Lewinsky and the Clintons, it is for THEM to figure out what it means, not us.

    Adultery existed thousands of years before feminism.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    So the violation of the marriage oath and the act of adultery represent feminism to you?
    You're the one who doesn't grasp the concept of feminism, not me, and you brought up Lewinsky, not me, and for some reason you decided that Monica was violated and that the feminists didn't respond properly.

    What do you think the 'feminists' should have done in reaction to the Lewinsky scandal? (Since you brought it up as an example of why feminism is just BS)
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Monica Lewinsky was legally an adult woman. One aspect of feminism that Bicycleman doesn't seem to understand is that feminism requires women to own their own sexuality, versus being told by men how to handle it.

    Monica Lewinsky made her bed, and she's laid in it for years now. For the rest of her life, her name will be synonymous with cigars, blue dresses, and cum stains.

    Bill Clinton has a legacy of his years as president, but Lewinsky will never be anything but Clinton's little slut in the minds of most Americans.

    Welcome to the wonderful dichotomy that exists between female sexuality and male sexuality. We're virgins...or whores.

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Please stop picking on Monica. Hasn't she suffered enough by ruining her beautiful blue party dress?

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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Please stop picking on Monica. Hasn't she suffered enough by ruining her beautiful blue party dress?
    You have to be one sick, twisted yet determined puppy hellbent on bringing down the president if you're willing to keep that said blue dress and preserve the cum stain so it can be examined.

    She must be a conservative - being that against a liberal president.
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    Re: Overall, was feminism bad for America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The whole "critical thinking" movement, the idea that all traditional institutions and ways needed to be analyzed to death and thrown out if they seemed the slightest bit illogical...the "anti-tradition" movement you might say, never seemed to realize that societies' customs and institutions are part of the glue that holds it all together, even if some of them don't seem to make perfect sense. Wash all that glue away with "critical thinking" solvent, and what you have left isn't a society, its a bunch of individuals pursuing three hundred million different paths with little in common.
    So you're more for conformity than individual freedom?

    I'm not sure. Over all it seems like it might weight more heavily on being bad for America.

    Yes equality is a good thing. Are the bad things part of our current struggles, economic and societal?

    More women in the market place:
    Displaced men which forced more families to need 2 incomes.
    Increased the standard of living for a short period but then the increased competition eventually depressed wages.
    More and more Children ended up in the hands of babysitters or worse, home alone.
    Decline of the nuclear family.
    Divorce rate increase.
    Single parent increase.
    Birth rate lowered.

    The Pros:
    Women found more freedom.

    Result? Good for women but bad for America?

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