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Mosque near WTC moves forward

Regarding the "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC...


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A $100 million dollar glass mosque called the "Cordoba House" is being built approximately 2 blocks away from ground zero. The purpose, according to Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf, is to "...foster better relations between the West and Muslims." Costs are being handled by groups such as the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, which would pay for the construction.

Not everyone is on board though...

NY Daily News said:
But some 9/11 families said they found the proposal offensive because the terrorists who launched the attacks were Muslim.

"I realize it's not all of them, but I don't want to have to go down to a memorial where my son died on 9/11 and look at a mosque," said retired FDNY Deputy Chief Jim Riches - whose son Jim, a firefighter, was killed on 9/11.

"If you ask me, it's a religion of hate," said Riches, who did not attend last night's meeting.

Rosemary Cain of Massapequa, L.I., whose son, Firefighter George Cain, 35, was killed in the 2001 attacks, called the project a "slap in the face."

"I think it's despicable. That's sacred ground," said Cain, who also did not attend the meeting.

"How could anybody give them permission to build a mosque there? It tarnishes the area."


So weigh in -- is this all OK due to the stated intent, or is it NOT okay and this type of outreach building should be built somewhere not so close to the site of 9/11?





Read more: Plan for mosque near World Trade Center site moves ahead
 
I think that, at a minimum, it is kind of tasteless and probably not too bright either.

It's almost like building a shrine to Emperor Hirohito at Pearl Harbor.
 
I think that, at a minimum, it is kind of tasteless and probably not too bright either.

It's almost like building a shrine to Emperor Hirohito at Pearl Harbor.

Except Hirohito was directly responsible for pearl harbor, and the Muslims in NY city are regular American citizens who might have lost people in the attack. There is no reason to coddle fools who are too stupid or bigoted to realize that a single act of terrorism does not define an entire religion.
 
I have no problem with this. Nothing illegal about it even if it is tasteless.

The terrorists who did it were Muslim, but this should not reflect on all Muslims.
 
build a giant ham sandwich next to it.
 
build a giant ham sandwich next to it.

This is funny and very poignant all at once reflecting the very one sidedness of Islam. I'm sure the mosque would not be amused - just as the 9/11 victims families are not amused.
 
Except Hirohito was directly responsible for pearl harbor, and the Muslims in NY city are regular American citizens who might have lost people in the attack. There is no reason to coddle fools who are too stupid or bigoted to realize that a single act of terrorism does not define an entire religion.


And yet, there is no getting around the fact that the 9/11 hijackers were Muslims motivated by Jihad. I get a little baffled sometimes by people who don't seem to want to recognize that little fact, or the undeniable truth that Islam seems to produce an aweful lot of terrorists. How many of the most recent 100 suicide bombers were Muslim? Is the number 99 or 100? Has any other religion produced 100 suicide bombers in the past decade... or even 10?

(Emperor Hirohito, BTW, was actually not directly responsible for Pearl Harbor... he was little more than a figurehead to the ruling Genru until he did the unthinkable in 1945 and addressed the Japanese people directly, calling on them to surrender. )

Ever lost a loved one to murder? It is very hard not to hate the perpetrators and anyone associated with them. I think this is at least arguably, a bit insensitive to the families of the 9/11 victims.

Doesn't anyone else find it just a smidge odd, that WE are supposed to be uber-sensitive to the needs, wants, feelings and sensibilities of EVERYONE else, yet nobody seems to give a good flying **** if something might offend US?
 
Except Hirohito was directly responsible for pearl harbor, and the Muslims in NY city are regular American citizens who might have lost people in the attack. There is no reason to coddle fools who are too stupid or bigoted to realize that a single act of terrorism does not define an entire religion.

It sure as hell sums it up pretty well. What exactly separates the violent teachings of Islam from the violent teachings of any other crazy ideology? Is it because it is older or is it because they say it comes from some imaginary man in the sky? Theists seem to think that if they put the god label on their bat**** crazy belief system that it somehow makes it less bat**** crazy when in actuality it makes it even more bat**** crazy. I see absolutely no difference between this and putting a confederate flag monument next to where Martin Luther King was shot or a Swastika monument next to Aushwitz.
 
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But some 9/11 families said they found the proposal offensive because the terrorists who launched the attacks were Muslim.
They were also males.

"I realize it's not all of them, but I don't want to have to go down to a memorial where my son died on 9/11 and look at a mosque," said retired FDNY Deputy Chief Jim Riches - whose son Jim, a firefighter, was killed on 9/11.
Then dont.

"If you ask me, it's a religion of hate," said Riches, who did not attend last night's meeting.
Get a new ****ing slogan

"I think it's despicable. That's sacred ground," said Cain, who also did not attend the meeting.

"How could anybody give them permission to build a mosque there? It tarnishes the area."
Sweet, let's park a Starbucks there and call it a day.

I mean seriously? There's a ****ing Burger King AT ground zero and THIS is somehow a slap in the face?
 
Its fine with me, its perfectly legal and this is a free society. And that freedom does NOT mean freedom from anything. You have no freedom to not be offended by anyone.

Whether its a mosque near 9/11 or students wearing American flags being kicked out of school, no one has the right to stop someone from exercising their 1st Amendment or any other rights simply because they don't like what they are saying.

Also I hope I don't see anyone who was complaining those students who were wearing those American flags being kicked out of school for offending hispanic students, also complaining that they shouldnt be building this mosque because it offends you.
 
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I think it would have been more offensive had they asked to build a minaret, or the mosque on "ground zero".

This is totally fine. Welcome to American and worship as you like.
 
I think it would have been more offensive had they asked to build a minaret, or the mosque on "ground zero".

This is totally fine. Welcome to American and worship as you like.

I think that's part of the point --- the mosque is literally steps away from ground zero - the old WTC took up 2 city blocks. But I agree, thankfully, no minarets. I'm wondering if this mosque will piping out "call to prayer" audio 5 times a day?
 
I think that, at a minimum, it is kind of tasteless and probably not too bright either.

It would be tasteless but if they have planning permission :shrug:
 
I think it is time for the Muslim community to go through some Sensitivity Training.

You look at a Babe's ass at work, you go through Sensitivity Training.
You make a joke that offends one of the Lib's thousands of cry babies and you Go Through Sensitivity Training.

I think they've perfected the program by now.
Let's expand it.

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And yet, there is no getting around the fact that the 9/11 hijackers were Muslims motivated by Jihad. I get a little baffled sometimes by people who don't seem to want to recognize that little fact, or the undeniable truth that Islam seems to produce an aweful lot of terrorists. How many of the most recent 100 suicide bombers were Muslim? Is the number 99 or 100? Has any other religion produced 100 suicide bombers in the past decade... or even 10?



I'd hate American too, if I were them.
It's full of ignorant bigots who think they own the damn world.
I hate America anyway half the time, and I'm not even Muslim.
The wonder to me is that most of them don't.
They're better, more forgiving, more tolerant people than me.

Same thing about blacks. If I were black, I'd hate whites.
I'm outraged and appalled on their behalf every time I think about the past, about slavery, about Jim Crow, generational poverty, white privilege, systematic racism, the current state of our penal system. Every time I read a thread about how they ought to just buck up and try harder and stop idolizing criminals and being whiners and crybabies and lazy crackheads, and then maybe they'd have it as good as white people.
If I were black, I'd hate whites. I hate them anyway, half the time, on behalf of blacks. It embarrasses me to be white a lot of the time.
Yet almost no blacks hate whites or wish them ill.
They too are better and more tolerant people than me.

But you know what, Goshin?
For all my silliness and flaws, I'm still a better and more tolerant person than you.
 
Most of you know my stance on Islam, IMO Islam is evil and the Islamic terrost involved in the 911 attacks were doing what allah requires of them. They were serving allah by fighting a holy war (jihad) against infidels. I believe building this mosque dishonors those who were murdered on 911 and is a slap in the face of thier family members.

Franklin Graham is right......Islam is evil
 
Most of you know my stance on Islam, IMO Islam is evil and the Islamic terrost involved in the 911 attacks were doing what allah requires of them. They were serving allah by fighting a holy war (jihad) against infidels. I believe building this mosque dishonors those who were murdered on 911 and is a slap in the face of thier family members.

Franklin Graham is right......Islam is evil

Oh grow up :roll:

I don't know how it works in the United States but in UK, If you wish to build something you need permission by the local council to proceed.
 
Most of you know my stance on Islam, IMO Islam is evil and the Islamic terrost involved in the 911 attacks were doing what allah requires of them. They were serving allah by fighting a holy war (jihad) against infidels. I believe building this mosque dishonors those who were murdered on 911 and is a slap in the face of thier family members.

Franklin Graham is right......Islam is evil

Your stance is evil.
If their mosque is a slap in the face to you and your stance, I wish I could fly to New York and help them build it.
 
I'd hate American too, if I were them.
It's full of ignorant bigots who think they own the damn world.
I hate America anyway half the time, and I'm not even Muslim.
The wonder to me is that most of them don't.
They're better, more forgiving, more tolerant people than me.

Same thing about blacks. If I were black, I'd hate whites.
I'm outraged and appalled on their behalf every time I think about the past, about slavery, about Jim Crow, generational poverty, white privilege, systematic racism, the current state of our penal system. Every time I read a thread about how they ought to just buck up and try harder and stop idolizing criminals and being whiners and crybabies and lazy crackheads, and then maybe they'd have it as good as white people.
If I were black, I'd hate whites. I hate them anyway, half the time, on behalf of blacks. It embarrasses me to be white a lot of the time.
Yet almost no blacks hate whites or wish them ill.
They too are better and more tolerant people than me.

But you know what, Goshin?
For all my silliness and flaws, I'm still a better and more tolerant person than you.

So how is his point wrong.
 
I'd hate American too, if I were them.
It's full of ignorant bigots who think they own the damn world.
I hate America anyway half the time, and I'm not even Muslim.
The wonder to me is that most of them don't.
They're better, more forgiving, more tolerant people than me.

Same thing about blacks. If I were black, I'd hate whites.
I'm outraged and appalled on their behalf every time I think about the past, about slavery, about Jim Crow, generational poverty, white privilege, systematic racism, the current state of our penal system. Every time I read a thread about how they ought to just buck up and try harder and stop idolizing criminals and being whiners and crybabies and lazy crackheads, and then maybe they'd have it as good as white people.
If I were black, I'd hate whites. I hate them anyway, half the time, on behalf of blacks. It embarrasses me to be white a lot of the time.
Yet almost no blacks hate whites or wish them ill.
They too are better and more tolerant people than me.

But you know what, Goshin?
For all my silliness and flaws, I'm still a better and more tolerant person than you.

You hate America? What is stopping you from moving to another country. A country with the right to worship or not, with freedom and liberty. How about Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Yeman. Im sure they would welcome you with open arms if you converted to Islam and covered your body. Of course you would no longer be able to talk to men outside your family or drive a car but what the hell, its better than America don't you think?
 
I'd hate American too, if I were them.
It's full of ignorant bigots who think they own the damn world.
I hate America anyway half the time, and I'm not even Muslim.
The wonder to me is that most of them don't.
They're better, more forgiving, more tolerant people than me.

Ya look how tolerant the Muslim world is to women, non-Muslims, gays etc. :roll:

Same thing about blacks. If I were black, I'd hate whites.
I'm outraged and appalled on their behalf every time I think about the past, about slavery, about Jim Crow, generational poverty, white privilege, systematic racism, the current state of our penal system. Every time I read a thread about how they ought to just buck up and try harder and stop idolizing criminals and being whiners and crybabies and lazy crackheads, and then maybe they'd have it as good as white people.
If I were black, I'd hate whites. I hate them anyway, half the time, on behalf of blacks. It embarrasses me to be white a lot of the time.
Yet almost no blacks hate whites or wish them ill.
They too are better and more tolerant people than me.

Sounds like white guilty to me, FYI North Africans took more White Slaves during the Arab Slave trade than Europeans every took of black slaves during the trans-atlantic slave trade which was shorter in duration and smaller in proportion than the Arab Slave Trade.
 
Your stance is evil.
If their mosque is a slap in the face to you and your stance, I wish I could fly to New York and help them build it.

What separates Islam from the violent teachings of any other bat**** crazy ideology? Are theists supposed to get a free pass because they say their bat**** crazy ideology came from an imaginary man in the sky? As an atheist I see this no differently from putting a confederate flag monument next to the site where Martin Luther King Jr. was shot or a swastika monument next to Auschwitz.
 
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I think it is time for the Muslim community to go through some Sensitivity Training.

You look at a Babe's ass at work, you go through Sensitivity Training.
You make a joke that offends one of the Lib's thousands of cry babies and you Go Through Sensitivity Training.

I think they've perfected the program by now.
Let's expand it.

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I think it is time for the Christian community to go through some Sensitivity Training.

I mean, after all, it was christians who have blown up abortion clinics....
 
I think it is time for the Christian community to go through some Sensitivity Training.

I mean, after all, it was christians who have blown up abortion clinics....

Would you support putting a Christian church which promotes anti-abortion propaganda on the ashes of a blown up abortion clinic?
 
BTW slavery was accepted around the world when a young upstart of a country saw that slavery was wrong and championed human rights. That country began changing the worlds view of slavery and over time brought an end to the practice of owning human beings as slaves within its own borders and eventually the rest of the world would follow suit. Guess which country that would be?


AMERICA

Abolitionism was a movement in western Europe and the Americas to end the slave trade and set slaves free. The slave system aroused little protest until the 18th century, when rationalist thinkers of the Enlightenment criticized it for violating the rights of man, and Quaker and other evangelical religious groups condemned it as un-Christian.

In fact most northern states abolished slavery after the War of Independence. While much of the rest of the world still practiced slavery.
 
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