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Mosque near WTC moves forward

Regarding the "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC...


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He called Frank Gaffney a hack. You say so too? :lol:

In October 2008, Gaffney questioned whether then Senator Barack Obama of Illinois is a "natural born citizen of the United States" and his legal eligibility to be the President of the United States.

In a February 2009 Washington Times column, Gaffney accused President Obama of "embracing the agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood," a militant organization banned throughout the Middle East.

In April 2009, Gaffney appeared on television and accused President Obama of using coded language to indicate that America would submit to Sharia law.

In a June 9, 2009, Washington Times article Gaffney wrote: "With Mr. Obama's unbelievably ballyhooed address in Cairo Thursday to what he calls "the Muslim world" (hereafter known as "the Speech"), there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself."

Gaffney continued his "Obama as Crypto-Muslim" theme in another article on February 24, 2010. In his column on Andrew Breitbart's BigGovernment blog, Gaffney attacked the administration's plans to modernize and update the missile defense program as "US submission to Islam" from "an Alinsky acolite", citing as "evidence" the redesigned logo of the Missile Defense Agency.

"Team Obama’s anti-anti-missile initiatives are not simply acts of unilateral disarmament of the sort to be expected from an Alinsky acolyte. They seem to fit an increasingly obvious and worrying pattern of official U.S. submission to Islam and the theo-political-legal program the latter’s authorities call Shariah.

"What could be code-breaking evidence of the latter explanation is to be found in the newly-disclosed redesign of the Missile Defense Agency logo.... As Logan helpfully shows, the new MDA shield appears ominously to reflect a morphing of the Islamic crescent and star with the Obama campaign logo."
However, Al Kamen reports that the new Missile Defense Agency logo is over three years old and was actually developed during the George Bush administration."


He is the worst kind of political hack. One that is a bigot and hides behind intellectualism to disguise his bigotry.

I am not even going into the fact he is a tin foil hat wearing Republican.

He is everything I said.

Anything else?

PS here is the best one...

"On March 12, 2009, Gaffney appeared on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews and accused Iraqi President Saddam Hussein of being involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing, "There is also circumstantial evidence, not proven by any means, but nonetheless some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence of Saddam Hussein's Iraq being involved with the people who perpetrated both the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and even the Oklahoma City bombing."

He is indeed the worst kind of hack. :lol:
 
Jihad Watch?

Are we supposed to take that seriously?

That has all the credibility of the last hack article you posted.

Jihad Watch post articles from ligit news organizations. Robert Spencer received a Master's degree in the department of Religious Studies from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in 1986. He is the creator of Jihad Watch and has published nine books, including two New York Times bestsellers. He authored The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion which I have read.

I think he knows more about the subject of Islam than you do my friend.
 
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Jihad Watch post articles from ligit news organizations. Robert Spencer received a Master's degree in the department of Religious Studies from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in 1986. He is the creator of Jihad Watch and has published nine books, including two New York Times bestsellers. He authored The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion which I have read.

I think he knows more about the subject of Islam than you do my friend.

Makes him no less a political hack. :lol:
 
Makes him no less a political hack. :lol:

How is he a political hack, in fact Im not even sure what his political leaning is. He is an expert in the field of religious studies. What are your qualifications? Im not sure being an ex tread head qualifies you as an expert on religious studies.
 
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How is he a political hack, in fact Im not even sure what his political leaning is. He is an expert in the field of religious studies. What are your qualifications? Im not sure being an ex tread head qualifies you as an expert on religious studies.

I am no expert on Islam, that is for certain. I do however have an extensive background in anthropology. So I have some insight.

Just because I did not write a NY Times best seller, makes me no less knowledgeable or able to make an informed decision.

His remarks are allot of hype at times with just enough truth to make it believable. Perfect for the gullible and weak minded politically speaking. Don't have to even get into the bigotry involved.
 
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I am no expert on Islam, that is for certain. I do however have an extensive background in anthropology. So I have some insight.

Just because I did not write a NY Times best seller, makes me no less knowledgeable or able to make an informed decision.

His remarks are allot of hype at times with just enough truth to make it believable. Perfect for the gullible and weak minded politically speaking. Don't have to even get into the bigotry involved.

First you call me stupid. Now are you saying that because i read Robert Spencer that Im gullible and weak minded? You seem to have an issue with insulting people you disagree with.
 
First you call me stupid. Now are you saying that because i read Robert Spencer that Im gullible and weak minded? You seem to have an issue with insulting people you disagree with.

I did not call you anything. I was referring to people who fall for that tripe.

If you think it's you, and you are insulted by it, nothing I can do for ya.

I also notice your response does not address any of the facts I put fourth.
 
I did not call you anything. I was referring to people who fall for that tripe.

If you think it's you, and you are insulted by it, nothing I can do for ya.

I also notice your response does not address any of the facts I put fourth.

You didn't call me stupid? I think you better check post 366 of this thread.
 
You didn't call me stupid? I think you better check post 366 of this thread.

I was not referring to that. You did read the rest of the small paragraph?

Now after saying something like this...

"So you are in favor of Shirah Law, that explains alot. At least now I know who Im dealing with and why you are so intolerant of infidels." - SgtRock

about me is pretty stupid in anyones book.

Here is your post...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/72171-mosque-near-wtc-moves-forward-37.html#post1058738666
 
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You are walking in downtown New York. You see a mosque. The mosque is near ground zero. Do you...

Feel good that people can practice their beliefs in this great land?...

or do you...

Think nothing of it and keep walking?...

or do you...

Get offended?
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I don't get why anyone would care even if the mosque was going to be in the new WTC
 
You are walking in downtown New York. You see a mosque. The mosque is near ground zero. Do you...

Feel good that people can practice their beliefs in this great land?...

or do you...

Think nothing of it and keep walking?...

or do you...

Get offended?
:confused::confused::confused:

I don't get why anyone would care even if the mosque was going to be in the new WTC

WWMD if he was walking through NY City and saw a synagogue full of infidels.

would he....

wonder if these second class infidels payed the jizyah tax?

or would he....

think nothing of it and go home and have sex with his 9 year old wife Aisha?

or would he....

walk into the synagouge and detonate his suicide vest killing as many kafirs as he could?
 
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WWMD if he was walking through NY City and saw a synagogue full of infidels.

would he....

wonder if these second class infidels payed the jizyah tax?

or would he....

think nothing of it and go home and have sex with his 9 year old wife Aisha?

or would he....

walk into the synagouge and detonate his suicide vest killing as many kafirs as he could?

This is nothing but hate speech.
 
WWMD if he was walking through NY City and saw a synagogue full of infidels.

would he....

wonder if these second class infidels payed the jizyah tax?

or would he....

think nothing of it and go home and have sex with his 9 year old wife Aisha?

or would he....

walk into the synagouge and detonate his suicide vest killing as many kafirs as he could?
You fail, there are no other words but fail. You are it's messenger.

Judging people in past time periods by our own modern standards of behavior is about the dumbest thing you can do with regards to history.

If you want to be a bigoted idiot, fine. But at least approach it in a semi-intelligent manner.
 
This is nothing but hate speech.

How is this hate speech, Im asking what would mohammed do (WWMD)

jizyah tax, his nine year old wife Aisha, and killing infidels are all part of who Mohammed was, an intollerant, murdering, pedophile. By stating these facts that somehow makes me the bigot.
 
WWMD if he was walking through NY City and saw a synagogue full of infidels.

would he....

wonder if these second class infidels payed the jizyah tax?

or would he....

think nothing of it and go home and have sex with his 9 year old wife Aisha?

or would he....

walk into the synagouge and detonate his suicide vest killing as many kafirs as he could?

Whatever he did, I'll bet dollars to donuts he wouldn't go home, get on an internet political board, and make idiotic, devoid of anything remotely intellectual hyperbole statements about Jesus.

I mean, for ****'s sake. This is America, and in America we have the right to freedom of religion. Which means they can put a mosque anywhere they can buy land and afford to put a mosque up. It's called freedom, you're gonna have to learn to deal with it at some point.
 
Judging people in past time periods by our own modern standards of behavior is about the dumbest thing you can do with regards to history.

.

Even less intelligent are those who are so clueless as to how events from the past shape attitudes of today.

I have even heard of people so ignorant of Islam that they don't realize Mohammad is held up as an example by a good number who pattern their own present day attitudes upon his life.
 
I mean, for ****'s sake. This is America, and in America we have the right to freedom of religion. Which means they can put a mosque anywhere they can buy land and afford to put a mosque up. It's called freedom, you're gonna have to learn to deal with it at some point.

QFT. Do you REALLY want government deciding which religions are approved for public consumption? Because, if we're casting votes, I'd like to start with banning the evangelicals because so many of their followers are so damn stupid.

Since you started the ball rolling and all, Sgt. Rock.
 
Because, if we're casting votes, I'd like to start with banning the evangelicals because so many of their followers are so damn stupid.

Since you started the ball rolling and all, Sgt. Rock.

No doubt. I live in Colorado...home of the f'n megachurch. I hate those places. Try to go by them when service is getting out and you're screwed. They get the cops to come out and direct traffic and all that other crap, impede my motion. I say they shouldn't get traffic control. They built a huge ass building to house more people than necessary in a place which didn't have the roads or lights to do it. That sounds like their problem. But then they take more of my tax money and use the cops to stop other, non-jackass traffic so those jerks can get out of their megachurch parking lot.
 
I am not supporting Jehovas witnesses or Scientologists here. I am commenting on Mainstream Islam.

You know very well you have just offered a du toque argument that does not address the issue at all. If my dog bites you, my pointing out that a neighbor's dog also bites does not let me off the hook for your injury.

What about explaining what American Evangelicals were doing supporting a Ugandan bill that called for the death penalty for gays?

Are they radicals, too?
 
No doubt. I live in Colorado...home of the f'n megachurch. I hate those places. Try to go by them when service is getting out and you're screwed. They get the cops to come out and direct traffic and all that other crap, impede my motion. I say they shouldn't get traffic control. They built a huge ass building to house more people than necessary in a place which didn't have the roads or lights to do it. That sounds like their problem. But then they take more of my tax money and use the cops to stop other, non-jackass traffic so those jerks can get out of their megachurch parking lot.

This is my feeling, EXACTLY. We have two of them near my house, and they each tie up 2 officers on Sunday. They consume services, they require infrastructure, and frankly, our police officers have more important work to do than making sure that their participants can cut into traffic faster.

They should all pay taxes.
 
This is my feeling, EXACTLY. We have two of them near my house, and they each tie up 2 officers on Sunday. They consume services, they require infrastructure, and frankly, our police officers have more important work to do than making sure that their participants can cut into traffic faster.

They should all pay taxes.

I agree with some of that even being a Christian. If they need police to direct traffic they should pay something if it's an every week thing.

I disagree on taxes because it would entangle government with religious institutions. I want to keep them as far away from each other as possible.
 
Whatever he did, I'll bet dollars to donuts he wouldn't go home, get on an internet political board, and make idiotic, devoid of anything remotely intellectual hyperbole statements about Jesus.

I mean, for ****'s sake. This is America, and in America we have the right to freedom of religion. Which means they can put a mosque anywhere they can buy land and afford to put a mosque up. It's called freedom, you're gonna have to learn to deal with it at some point.

I agree, this is America and in America we have the right to freedom of religion. And I also agree that they can build there mosque. But the first amendment to our constitution which guarantees the free exercise of religion also protects our right to freedom of speech. And I have a right to voice my disaproval of the building of this mosque as well as my belief that Islam is evil and that the so called prophet Mohammed was evil as well. I base my conclussion that Islam and the pedophile prophet are evil on years of research and study. I have been consistant on this since I joined this forum, ask CC he can vouch for me on that.

Ikari, its called freedom of speech and your gonna have to learn to deal with it at some point.
 
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No doubt. I live in Colorado...home of the f'n megachurch. I hate those places. Try to go by them when service is getting out and you're screwed. They get the cops to come out and direct traffic and all that other crap, impede my motion. I say they shouldn't get traffic control. They built a huge ass building to house more people than necessary in a place which didn't have the roads or lights to do it. That sounds like their problem. But then they take more of my tax money and use the cops to stop other, non-jackass traffic so those jerks can get out of their megachurch parking lot.

So you hate those jerks huh, is that also hate speech? I mean there you are saying you hate.
 
QFT. Do you REALLY want government deciding which religions are approved for public consumption? Because, if we're casting votes, I'd like to start with banning the evangelicals because so many of their followers are so damn stupid.

Since you started the ball rolling and all, Sgt. Rock.

So you want to ban evangelicals because thay are so damn stupid, is that hate speech? Personally I do not think it is. You have a right to your opinion about them, this is America afterall.
 
I agree, this is America and in America we have the right to freedom of religion. And I also agree that they can build there mosque. But the first amendment to our constitution which guarantees the free exercise of religion also protects our right to freedom of speech. And I have a right to voice my disaproval of the building of this mosque as well as my belief that Islam is evil and that the so called prophet Mohammed was evil as well. I base my conclussion that Islam and the pedophile prophet are evil on years of research and study. I have been consistant on this since I joined this forum, ask CC he can vouch for me on that.

Ikari, its called freedom of speech and your gonna have to learn to deal with it at some point.

Who is trying to take away your freedom of speech? You are expressing your opinions and others are expressing theirs.

There is a huge difference here. Your views on Islam, if you had your way, directly contradict the freedom of religion that we celebrate in this country. People pointing this out to you or criticizing your views in no way hampers your freedom of speech. Not once did anyone here say that you didn't have the right to bring this stuff up.
 
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