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Mosque near WTC moves forward

Regarding the "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC...


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We all saw this article the first time you posted it. Would you like to post it a third time just for good measure?

I quoted different parts both times. Did you read them?
 
Catz I just noticed something, you have been a member of DP for 1 year. You have over 15,000 posts, how is that possible?

44.5 posts per day seems to do the trick.
 
I quoted different parts both times. Did you read them?

Yes. I don't think this one man is any expert just because he writes for a news paper.

I think his views are extremest, just like yours. Highly exaggerated and way off base.
 
Yes. I don't think this one man is any expert just because he writes for a news paper.

I think his views are extremest, just like yours. Highly exaggerated and way off base.

It's "extremist" by the way and what is wrong with recognizing when a group is at war with us?

And Frank Gaffney IS an expert on the subject. Frank J. Gaffney Jr. is president of the Center for Security Policy.
 
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It's "extremist" by the way and what is wrong with recognizing when a group is at war with us?

And Frank Gaffney IS an expert on the subject. Frank J. Gaffney Jr. is president of the Center for Security Policy.

"the time has come to recognize that even if we insist we are not at war with Islam, many of the authorities of Islam are at war with us. Only by so doing can we connect with and empower our natural allies in this war -- Muslims who want to enjoy liberty in a Shariah-free America. And only by so doing, do we have a chance of prevailing."

This amounts to nothing but Islamophobia. We know who our enemy is and it is not an ideology, as this knucklehead would suggest.
 
And yet, there is no getting around the fact that the 9/11 hijackers were Muslims motivated by Jihad. I get a little baffled sometimes by people who don't seem to want to recognize that little fact, or the undeniable truth that Islam seems to produce an aweful lot of terrorists. How many of the most recent 100 suicide bombers were Muslim? Is the number 99 or 100? Has any other religion produced 100 suicide bombers in the past decade... or even 10?

(Emperor Hirohito, BTW, was actually not directly responsible for Pearl Harbor... he was little more than a figurehead to the ruling Genru until he did the unthinkable in 1945 and addressed the Japanese people directly, calling on them to surrender. )

Ever lost a loved one to murder? It is very hard not to hate the perpetrators and anyone associated with them. I think this is at least arguably, a bit insensitive to the families of the 9/11 victims.

Doesn't anyone else find it just a smidge odd, that WE are supposed to be uber-sensitive to the needs, wants, feelings and sensibilities of EVERYONE else, yet nobody seems to give a good flying **** if something might offend US?

The Tamil Tigers are Hindu's who were responsible for

The LTTE have employed the use of concealed suicide vests.[96] According to Jane's Information Group, between 1980 and 2000, the LTTE carried out 168 suicide attacks causing heavy damage on economic and military targets.[97]
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam]Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

I expect that the muslim sucide bombers probably picked up the tactic from them
 
"the time has come to recognize that even if we insist we are not at war with Islam, many of the authorities of Islam are at war with us. Only by so doing can we connect with and empower our natural allies in this war -- Muslims who want to enjoy liberty in a Shariah-free America. And only by so doing, do we have a chance of prevailing."

This amounts to nothing but Islamophobia. We know who our enemy is and it is not an ideology, as this knucklehead would suggest.

He appeals to non-Sharia Muslim adherents and recognizes that those who want Sharia law (millions of them) are at war with us. How is that Islamophobia?

Are you in favor of Sharia law?
 
He appeals to non-Sharia Muslim adherents and recognizes that those who want Sharia law (millions of them) are at war with us. How is that Islamophobia?

Because millions of them are not at war with us.

Are you in favor of Sharia law?

Absolutely, I have stated that hundreds of times. :roll:
 
Because millions of them are not at war with us.



Absolutely, I have stated that hundreds of times. :roll:

So, you are an Islamist?
 
"the time has come to recognize that even if we insist we are not at war with Islam, many of the authorities of Islam are at war with us. Only by so doing can we connect with and empower our natural allies in this war -- Muslims who want to enjoy liberty in a Shariah-free America. And only by so doing, do we have a chance of prevailing."

This amounts to nothing but Islamophobia. We know who our enemy is and it is not an ideology, as this knucklehead would suggest.

Must you call people names to get your point across? Is anyone that disagrees with your OPINION on this subject a knucklehead islamophobe?
 
Because millions of them are not at war with us.



Absolutely, I have stated that hundreds of times. :roll:

So you are in favor of Shirah Law, that explains alot. At least now I know who Im dealing with and why you are so intolerant of infidels.
 
No Jesus does not.

Please point out how Jesus, contradicts himself.

Matthew 10:34-39: "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

Luke 12:49-53: "I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Luke 14:26: "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple."

Luke 22:36: "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."

John 14:27: "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give you."

Luke 2:14: "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

John 16:33: "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace.
 
I'd hate American too, if I were them.
It's full of ignorant bigots who think they own the damn world.
I hate America anyway half the time, and I'm not even Muslim.
The wonder to me is that most of them don't.
They're better, more forgiving, more tolerant people than me.

Same thing about blacks. If I were black, I'd hate whites.
I'm outraged and appalled on their behalf every time I think about the past, about slavery, about Jim Crow, generational poverty, white privilege, systematic racism, the current state of our penal system. Every time I read a thread about how they ought to just buck up and try harder and stop idolizing criminals and being whiners and crybabies and lazy crackheads, and then maybe they'd have it as good as white people.
If I were black, I'd hate whites. I hate them anyway, half the time, on behalf of blacks. It embarrasses me to be white a lot of the time.
Yet almost no blacks hate whites or wish them ill.
They too are better and more tolerant people than me.

But you know what, Goshin?
For all my silliness and flaws, I'm still a better and more tolerant person than you.

What a bunch of nonsense this is. You'd hate whites? For what!? I never enslaved anyone and I never oppressed anyone; I'm not in anyway responsible for whatever plight their ANCESTORS suffered, or any plight they may be suffering presently.

Just who the hell do you think you are, anyway? You HATE America!? Feel free to get the hell out then, since you hate this country so much. Might I suggest Saudi Arabia, or perhaps the Sudan? Then you can see the extent of Islamic "tolerance" up close and personal...
 
Matthew 10:34-39: "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

Luke 12:49-53: "I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Luke 14:26: "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple."

Luke 22:36: "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."

John 14:27: "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give you."

Luke 2:14: "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

John 16:33: "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace.

:lol:

None of these are contradictions. I am not going to derail the thread with a Bible study, but I will say they are taken completely out of context and have no bearing on each other.

You really need a Bible study.
 
Must you call people names to get your point across? Is anyone that disagrees with your OPINION on this subject a knucklehead islamophobe?

Forgive me oh mighty one. I called a no name reporter who is by all definition a political hack a name. How dare I!

So you are in favor of Shirah Law, that explains alot. At least now I know who Im dealing with and why you are so intolerant of infidels.

I am going to take a hit here because this is silly.

Are you that stupid? Are you really that brain dead? I have not seen stupidity this blatant since GoldenDog.

I promise I will not do this again! But this is just so ignorant.
 
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Thank you. That's one.

The Tamil Tigers are not, however, at this time, intresting in killing me and mine and blowing **** up in my country. Islamic extremists are.


Actually I take that back. The Tamil Tigers are not a religion and do not appear to be chiefly focused on religious issues, but rather are political seperatists. So we're back to none.
 
So, you are an Islamist?

I suppose the fact that I have been a Christian for the last 15 years and posted over a year here about that is lost on you? Not to mention the rolling of the eyes at the end of my post.

Ignorance must be bliss.

Wait I get it! I am a closet Muslim like Obama! :lol:
 
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Actually I take that back. The Tamil Tigers are not a religion and do not appear to be chiefly focused on religious issues, but rather are political seperatists. So we're back to none.

Do you honestly think the power struggle in the Middle East and abroad is about religion?

It is about power, simply put. They don't really care about Islam, they use it as a tool to an end. Much like the church in the middle ages and Renaissance.
 
Do you honestly think the power struggle in the Middle East and abroad is about religion?

It is about power, simply put. They don't really care about Islam, they use it as a tool to an end. Much like the church in the middle ages and Renaissance.


To most of the leadership, yes I think they cynically use it as a tool. Don't see the leaders strapping on bombs.

But the thousands of terrorists and would-be terrorists and their milliions of supporters and sympathizers, the basis in their minds is religious, based on the Quran, Sharia and Jihad.

Proof?

"Allahu Ackbar!" BOOM! :bomb: :mrgreen:
 
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If they wan't to build a mosque let them build a mosque. It won't hurt anyone.
 
Forgive me oh mighty one. I called a no name reporter who is by all definition a political hack a name. How dare I!

In April 1987, Mr. Gaffney was nominated by President Reagan to become the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy, the senior position in the Defense Department with responsibility for policies involving nuclear forces, arms control and U.S.-European defense relations. He acted in that capacity for seven months during which time, he was the Chairman of the prestigious High Level Group, NATO's senior politico-military committee. He also represented the Secretary of Defense in key U.S.-Soviet negotiations and ministerial meetings.

From August 1983 until November 1987, Mr. Gaffney was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear Forces and Arms Control Policy under Assistant Secretary Richard Perle. From February 1981 to August 1983, Mr. Gaffney was a Professional Staff Member on the Senate Armed Services Committee, chaired by Senator John Tower (R-Texas). In the latter 1970's, Mr. Gaffney served as an aide to the late Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-Washington) in the areas of defense and foreign policy.

Mr. Gaffney holds a Master of Arts degree in International Studies from the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies and a Bachelor of Science in Foreign Service from the Georgetown University School of Foreign Service.
 
Nothing wrong with building a mosque there IMO sorry.
Its no more "offensive" or "poor taste" or "wrong" than building or keeping a catholic church by or near where a abortion doctor was killed or near a school since that religion has in fact covered up child abuse

no this is not a catholic abuse thread, thats my religion mind you, even though im considered a bad catholic by some, just saying the so called "parallels" are similar, a little different because of the amount of death and what the koran preaches but not really.

Theres millions of muslims that do not want to kill us and muslims in OUR military (like 20K I think) that some have DIED fighting for YOUR freedom so I have no problem with the mosque or the freedom of Religion

just like there are millions of catholics that dont bomb abortion clinics or rape children

its silly to condemn all based on some
 
In April 1987, Mr. Gaffney was nominated by President Reagan to become the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy, the senior position in the Defense Department with responsibility for policies involving nuclear forces, arms control and U.S.-European defense relations. He acted in that capacity for seven months during which time, he was the Chairman of the prestigious High Level Group, NATO's senior politico-military committee. He also represented the Secretary of Defense in key U.S.-Soviet negotiations and ministerial meetings.

From August 1983 until November 1987, Mr. Gaffney was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear Forces and Arms Control Policy under Assistant Secretary Richard Perle. From February 1981 to August 1983, Mr. Gaffney was a Professional Staff Member on the Senate Armed Services Committee, chaired by Senator John Tower (R-Texas). In the latter 1970's, Mr. Gaffney served as an aide to the late Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-Washington) in the areas of defense and foreign policy.

Mr. Gaffney holds a Master of Arts degree in International Studies from the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies and a Bachelor of Science in Foreign Service from the Georgetown University School of Foreign Service.

In October 2008, Gaffney questioned whether then Senator Barack Obama of Illinois is a "natural born citizen of the United States" and his legal eligibility to be the President of the United States.

In a February 2009 Washington Times column, Gaffney accused President Obama of "embracing the agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood," a militant organization banned throughout the Middle East.

In April 2009, Gaffney appeared on television and accused President Obama of using coded language to indicate that America would submit to Sharia law.

In a June 9, 2009, Washington Times article Gaffney wrote: "With Mr. Obama's unbelievably ballyhooed address in Cairo Thursday to what he calls "the Muslim world" (hereafter known as "the Speech"), there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself."

Gaffney continued his "Obama as Crypto-Muslim" theme in another article on February 24, 2010. In his column on Andrew Breitbart's BigGovernment blog, Gaffney attacked the administration's plans to modernize and update the missile defense program as "US submission to Islam" from "an Alinsky acolite", citing as "evidence" the redesigned logo of the Missile Defense Agency.

"Team Obama’s anti-anti-missile initiatives are not simply acts of unilateral disarmament of the sort to be expected from an Alinsky acolyte. They seem to fit an increasingly obvious and worrying pattern of official U.S. submission to Islam and the theo-political-legal program the latter’s authorities call Shariah.

"What could be code-breaking evidence of the latter explanation is to be found in the newly-disclosed redesign of the Missile Defense Agency logo.... As Logan helpfully shows, the new MDA shield appears ominously to reflect a morphing of the Islamic crescent and star with the Obama campaign logo."
However, Al Kamen reports that the new Missile Defense Agency logo is over three years old and was actually developed during the George Bush administration.
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He is the worst kind of political hack. One that is a bigot and hides behind intellectualism to disguise his bigotry.

I am not even going into the fact he is a tin foil hat wearing Republican.

He is everything I said.

Anything else? :lol:

PS here is the best one...

"On March 12, 2009, Gaffney appeared on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews and accused Iraqi President Saddam Hussein of being involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing, "There is also circumstantial evidence, not proven by any means, but nonetheless some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence of Saddam Hussein's Iraq being involved with the people who perpetrated both the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and even the Oklahoma City bombing."

:rofl

He just gets better and better! :lol:
 
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