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Mosque near WTC moves forward

Regarding the "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC...

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TacticalEvilDan said:
Oh, man, am I gonna have to dig out my List of Nasty Bible Verses(tm) again?
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There are nasty bible verses, I agree. The difference is muslims are using the evil Quran verses to justify waging holy war. They are serving Allah. Killing infidels as instructed in the Quran. Holy war (jihad) has been declared against the west. It is on going. Jihadist are doing what they commanded to do in the Quran.
 
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Arch Enemy said:
Am I being a bigot if i say that I would be glad to see the day WASP dominance leaves America because it's history within the past century has killed more humans than Mexicans have their entire history? Maybe I am just stating a fact.
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Well a) that would be highly inaccurate considering that Mexicans killed far more people through Spanish colonialism, and b) would it be bigoted to say that I would like to see Islam out of America because it has killed more people than any ideology until Stalinism and Maoism?
 
SgtRock said:
There are nasty bible verses, I agree. The difference is muslims are using the evil Quran verses to justify waging holy war. They are serving Allah. Killing infidels as instruced in the Quran. Holy war (jihad) has been declared against the west. It is on going. Jihadist are doing what they commanded to do in the Quran.
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You mean just like Christians of various flavors uses various Biblical references to justify varying forms of bigotry?

The difference between America and the kinds of places were the uglier side of Islam is seen is that we believe in the rule of law and don't tolerate that kind of nonsense.

The problem is the society in which the acts take place, not the religion used to justify them.
 
SgtRock said:
Here are just a few. Let me know if you need more. I only wish to help you to understand that Islam is evil.


Qur'an 5:51
"Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other."

Qur'an 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth, People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low."

Qur'an:47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle, smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
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"To you be your religion, to me be mine."[Al-Quran 109:6]
"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loveth those who are just. "(Surah Mumtahina, verse 8)
 
SgtRock said:
There are nasty bible verses, I agree. The difference is muslims are using the evil Quran verses to justify waging holy war. They are serving Allah. Killing infidels as instruced in the Quran. Holy war (jihad) has been declared against the west. It is on going. Jihadist are doing what they commanded to do in the Quran.
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And the Abortion clinics bombers are using verses from the bible for waging a holy war as well nice try thought.. . Yet again fail Christan [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism"]do the same thing [/ame]
For example, the Sons of Freedom, have blown up power pylons, railroad bridges, and set fire to homes for people of Christ. ;)
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
I really hate to tell you this, but the intensity of the bat**** has nothing to do with the verses, and everything to do with the followers.

Just saying.
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Nah actually I don't believe there are two parts of the Koran in which the 2nd part is believed by the adherents to supplant most of the violent aspects contained within the 1st.

And while I find that argument wrong considering that Jesus, also, said that he came to fulfill the old law as well at least the Christians have an arguable point; whereas, there is no equivalent within Islam of turning the other cheek supplanting an eye for an eye.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
And the Abortion clinics bombers are using verses from the bible for waging a holy war as well nice try thought.. . Yet again fail Christan do the same thing
For example, the Sons of Freedom, have blown up power pylons, railroad bridges, and set fire to homes for people of Christ. ;)
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And the ideology is completely responsible. These people were acting in accordance with the principles of Christianity.
 
EgoffTib said:
"To you be your religion, to me be mine."[Al-Quran 109:6]
"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loveth those who are just. "(Surah Mumtahina, verse 8)
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Stop taking verses out of context. :lol: All the verse said is that those who fight against for reasons other than Islam are allowed to be treated justly. It doesn't require it, and infidels are still fair game for rape and murder.

Phail. :doh
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
You mean just like Christians of various flavors uses various Biblical references to justify varying forms of bigotry?

The difference between America and the kinds of places were the uglier side of Islam is seen is that we believe in the rule of law and don't tolerate that kind of nonsense.

The problem is the society in which the acts take place, not the religion used to justify them.
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Are some christians bigots? Yes of course. But how do you equate bigotry to murdering innocents in cold blood for Allah?

Face it my friend you are an apologist for terrorist and the evil god that commands them to murder infidels.

The uglier side of Islam is seen in America. It was seen last week in Times Square. It was seen at Ft Hood Texas. It was seen on 911.
 
Agent Ferris said:
And while I find that argument wrong considering that Jesus, also, said that he came to fulfill the old law as well at least the Christians have an arguable point; whereas, there is no equivalent within Islam of turning the other cheek supplanting an eye for an eye.
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That doesn't stop many Christians from using Biblical references to justify their bigotry.

Which is why I say that the problem is the adherents, not the verses.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
You mean just like Christians of various flavors uses various Biblical references to justify varying forms of bigotry?

The difference between America and the kinds of places were the uglier side of Islam is seen is that we believe in the rule of law and don't tolerate that kind of nonsense.

The problem is the society in which the acts take place, not the religion used to justify them.
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Um these societies are centered around the religion not the other way around. The religion is the problem with their society.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
That doesn't stop many Christians from using Biblical references to justify their bigotry.

Which is why I say that the problem is the adherents, not the verses.
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No the problem is that they are being taught this bigotry from these biblical references. The problem is that Christianity does in fact justify bigotry.
 
SgtRock said:
Are some christians bigots? Yes of course. But how do you equate bigotry to murdering innocents in cold blood for Allah?

Face it my friend you are an apologist for terrorist and the evil god that commands them to murder infidels.

The uglier side of Islam is seen in America. It was seen last week in Times Square. It was seen at Ft Hood Texas. It was seen on 911.
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Yet again fail the uglier side of Christians have been shown may times.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Christian_terrorism]Category:Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

=.=
 
SgtRock said:
Are some christians bigots? Yes of course. But how do you equate bigotry to murdering innocents in cold blood for Allah?
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There are many people who have been killed in the name of the Christian god.

I mentioned bigotry because that's most of what we see of the ugly part of Christianity here in America, whereas the ugly part of Islam is much more violent in other parts of the world.

As I've said previously, the problem is in the people, not on the pages. The things we see elsewhere in the world don't typically happen in America because we don't tolerate that kind of violence. It isn't because we're not an Islamic nation.

SgtRock said:
Face it my friend you are an apologist for terrorist and the evil god that commands them to murder infidels.
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No, face it my "friend," you are completely and utterly failing to comprehend what I'm saying.

I don't think you can both seriously accuse me of being a terrorist apologist and be an honest, rational individual. As such, you're either lying, or completely irrational.

I'm voting for irrational, but you're free to own up to dishonesty -- it's all the same to me.

SgtRock said:
The uglier side of Islam is seen in America. It was seen last week in Times Square. It was seen at Ft Hood Texas. It was seen on 911.
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Those are exceptions and not the rule, and it's because we don't tolerate that kind of crap.
 
EgoffTib said:
"To you be your religion, to me be mine."[Al-Quran 109:6]
"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loveth those who are just. "(Surah Mumtahina, verse 8)
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When are you going to show where the quotes I posted are teken out of context. And btw, the quran is full of contradictions. It was written this way for a purpose. Just the purpose you are using it for. Deciet.
 
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Agent Ferris said:
Um these societies are centered around the religion not the other way around. The religion is the problem with their society.
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The problems in the societies in question existed long before Islam. Honor killings, for example, predate the founding of the religion, and occur in many places where that religion is nowhere to be found.
 
SgtRock said:
The uglier side of Christianity is seen in America. It was seen in the Westboro Baptist Church. It was seen in the murder of Dr. George Tiller.
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I fixed your post. No need to thank me. :mrgreen:
 
SgtRock said:
When are you going to show where the quotes I posted are teken out of context. And btw, the quran is full of contradictions. It was written this way for a purpose. Just the purpose you are using it for. Deciet.
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Why would I need to prove that they were taken out of context? They clearly are, since you have posted them with no context to explain them. :doh
 
EgoffTib said:
I fixed your post. No need to thank me. :mrgreen:
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Don't dare bring up the Crusades as evidence of Muslim righteousness when they took the Holy Lands by force to start that whole unpleasantness.

EDIT: I see you omitted the Crusades after originally posting them.
 
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EgoffTib said:
I fixed your post. No need to thank me. :mrgreen:
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How many people have the westboro church members murdered in the name of god. And the crusades, please. Christianity has undergone a reformation since the crusades. Get up to date my friend. Yes the lone example of Tillers murder is terrible but thats one murder. There are many thousands of innocents murdered in the name of allah by muslims waging holy war for allah. Why is that so hard for you to wrap your brain around? Its a fact that this war against infidels is on going.
 
bhkad said:
Don't dare bring up the Crusades as evidence of Muslim righteousness when they took the Holy Lands by force to start that whole unpleasantness.
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Oh please they were welcomed in that land for many reason, and the fact of the matter is learn your history, before you post ridiculous claims.

Here is something from the history channel...
 
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bhkad said:
Don't dare bring up the Crusades as evidence of Muslim righteousness when they took the Holy Lands by force to start that whole unpleasantness.

EDIT: I see you omitted the Crusades after originally posting them.
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Yes, in order to stay consistent with Sgts post which said "in America."
 
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