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Mosque near WTC moves forward

Regarding the "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC...


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Just to be pedantic, Islam was actually quite fine until the 20th century when Wahabism, a belief from the 18th century, was finally utilized.

Um no actually it wasn't according to Islamic Fiqh Mohamed himself committed mass genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Jewish Banu tribe on the Arabian Peninsula. The mass genocide on the Indian Subcontinent occurred before then and that was a genocide not to be outdone until Stalin.
 
Sgt, do you have any knowledge of Middle Eastern geopolitics at all? The largest fighting with radical Islamic groups has been over control of local governments in the middle east. Nationalist and fundamentalist parties fighting each other is the most common form of violence. Pretending that all Muslims are part of some ridiculous borg collective acting with a single mind is laughably false. Politics determines what happens, not ideology. Syria for example, has no problem supporting fundamentalist hezbollah in Lebanon for its own ends, but slaughtered an entire city to crush the equally fundamentalist muslim brothehood within their own borders.
 
Islam is bigotry on a grand scale, their whole entire ideology is centered around the belief that non-Muslims are lesser people, the same as Christianity, the same as most theist belief structures.

Well, they're both Abrahamic religions, along with Judaism, so it's not very surprising there are a lot of similarities.
If you want peace and tolerance, look to the Buddhists.
 
And do christians take the bible literally as musims must.

When it suits their purposes, absolutely.

Are Christians flying airplanes into buildings to serve thier god?

No, they're flying military aircraft over hot zones instead.

How many times have we heard quotes from various and sundry soldiers and officers that our wars in the middle east are "holy" wars?

I can document aa hundred muslim jihadist for every Christian terrorist you can come up with.

So what ratio of militant extremists to total number of adherents is tolerable, exactly?
 
Islam is bigotry on a grand scale, their whole entire ideology is centered around the belief that non-Muslims are lesser people, the same as Christianity, the same as most theist belief structures.

Well at least you are even handed in your bigotry.

Like I said lets just throw the Constitution into the trash. Obviously we don't need it anymore and would rather live under a military dictatorship. The state will be our new God.

That sounds way to familiar?
 
Yes the extremists Christians.



Many Christians kill in the name of God, even though it is wrong. Same goes for Islam.

But you would rather compare Islam to radicals and Christians to moderates. How dishonest of you.

Its not dishonest, Islam is evil, read the Quran and its Surahs. Then take a look around at the evil being done in the name of Allah by individuals and Islamic nations around the world. If at that point you do not come to the same conclussion that I have in regards to Islam then you are in denial. Just my opinion.
 
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Um no actually it wasn't according to Islamic Fiqh Mohamed himself committed mass genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Jewish Banu tribe on the Arabian Peninsula. The mass genocide on the Indian Subcontinent occurred before then and that was a genocide not to be outdone until Stalin.

Perhaps "just fine" was a bit overdone, but Islam in its current state, with the Koran being institutionally interpreted in much less lenient way didn't come into being until the 20th century.

Edit: Oh, and as far as picking out individual examples of civilizations acting badly, you really don't want to go there.
 
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Well, they're both Abrahamic religions, along with Judaism, so it's not very surprising there are a lot of similarities.
If you want peace and tolerance, look to the Buddhists.

Meh Buddhists are more peaceful I suppose but their belief structure centered around the virtues of poverty and self denial go along way to explain why much of Asia lived and continues to live in abject poverty
 
Well at least you are even handed in your bigotry.

Like I said lets just throw the Constitution into the trash. Obviously we don't need it anymore and would rather live under a military dictatorship. The state will be our new God.

That sounds way to familiar?

I never said we should throw away our constitution like our current president would like to do. I am saying we have got to recognise who the enimies of freedom are. We can not stop them from building thier mosque near ground zero. But we can voice our disaproval and we should. We should object to a mosque being built near sacred ground. Its the American way.
 
Its not dishonest, Islam is evil, read the Quran and its Surahs.

The Bible, as I've said many times and you have yet to respond to, has some pretty nasty stuff too.

Then take a look around at the evil being done in the name of Allah by individuals and Islamic nations around the world.

People calling themselves Christians have and continue to do the same thing. How many times have elected officials and pundits called upon their faith to justify saying or doing despicable things -- or even better yet, to act ask a mask for the despicable things they do in private?

If at that point you do not come to the same conclussion that I have in regards to Islam then you are in denial.

No, not really.

It just indicates a lack of blindness, or blinders.
 
Its not dishonest, Islam is evil, read the Quran and its Surahs. Then take a look around at the evil being done in the name of Allah by individuals and Islamic nations around the world. If at that point you do not come to the same conclussion that I have in regards to Islam then you are in denial.

Around the world has nothing at all to do with this. We are talking about the US. Islam in itself is no more evil than Christianity, period.

I mean if you want I can go verse for verse between the 2 holy books to prove it.

Again you want to compare the minority to the majority in one case, but not the other. Classic bigotry and denial.
 
I never said we should throw away our constitution like our current president would like to do. I am saying we have got to recognise who the enimies of freedom are. We can not stop them from building thier mosque near ground zero. But we can voice our disaproval and we should. We should object to a mosque being built near sacred ground. Its the American way.

Would you care to explain how the individuals involved with the proposed mosque are the "enimies" of freedom?
 
Well at least you are even handed in your bigotry.

Yes I guess I'm an anti-Nazi and anti-KKK bigot too. :roll:

Like I said lets just throw the Constitution into the trash. Obviously we don't need it anymore and would rather live under a military dictatorship. The state will be our new God.

That sounds way to familiar?

I didn't state that it should be banned, however, WTF are you to tell me that I can't exercise my 1st amendment right to protest this disrespectful act and violent ideology?
 
Yes I guess I'm an anti-Nazi and anti-KKK bigot too. :roll:

No. You have a bigotry toward religion. Godwin for the win!

I didn't state that it should be banned, however, WTF are you to tell me that I can't exercise my 1st amendment right to protest this disrespectful act and violent ideology?

You can, and I absolutely support your right to be wrong and jump to bad conclusions. :mrgreen:
 
Perhaps "just fine" was a bit overdone, but Islam in its current state, with the Koran being institutionally interpreted in much less lenient way didn't come into being until the 20th century.

How exactly do you figure that? When was Islam more tolerant than it is today? If anything Islam has been forced to compromise due to the strength of the Western World.

Edit: Oh, and as far as picking out individual examples of civilizations acting badly, you really don't want to go there.

Actually I would, the atrocities of Islam would not again be outdone until the rise of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.
 
No. You have a bigotry toward religion. Godwin for the win!

I have a bigotry towards any bat**** crazy ideology, theist belief structures don't get a free pass because they say that their bat**** crazy belief system was mandated by some imaginary man in the sky. If anything that makes it even more bat**** crazy and dangerous.

You can, and I absolutely support your right to be wrong and jump to bad conclusions. :mrgreen:

What exactly is wrong about my conclusions here?
 
Actually I would, the atrocities of Islam would not again be outdone until the rise of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.

I think I will just leave this one alone. :lol:
 
I have a bigotry towards any bat**** crazy ideology, theist belief structures don't get a free pass because they say that their bat**** crazy belief system was mandated by some imaginary man in the sky. If anything that makes it even more bat**** crazy and dangerous.

And so I hit the nail firmly on the head. Whats your problem with me calling it like I see it and being correct?

What exactly is wrong about my conclusions here?

You read the rest of the posts with myself and others already pointing it out correct?
 
Around the world has nothing at all to do with this. We are talking about the US. Islam in itself is no more evil than Christianity, period.

I mean if you want I can go verse for verse between the 2 holy books to prove it.

Again you want to compare the minority to the majority in one case, but not the other. Classic bigotry and denial.

There is a difference. Christainity has gone through a reformation Islam has not. Christains do not act violently in the name of there god. They do not take the bible literaly. Muslims are required to submit totally. They must take the Quran literally because Allah is perfect and therefor the quran is perfect. And if Allah demands that his followers kill infidels in holy war then as submitting believers, muslims must serve Allah by wageing jihad against infidels. Its that simple. Ask a muslim if he or she can disregard the parts of the Quran they disagree with and still be considered a muslim?
 
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How exactly do you figure that? When was Islam more tolerant than it is today? If anything Islam has been forced to compromise due to the strength of the Western World.

Do you know the history of Wahhabism? Its a 20th century phenomenon, mostly most post- colonial. The Ottomans certainly weren't fundamentalists.
 
I noticed you have avoided my post Sgt. Despite your "knowledge of Islam" you don't really seem to have a clue about the politics of Muslim nations.
 
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